Quote Originally Posted by DemoCommando
I had this conversation with my g/f the other night. I had no idea I was with a Creationist and her entire family are creationists and believe 100% in ID. I was in shock, but my favorite part was when they ignored and denied facts like the fossil record, carbon dating, radioactive half-life, you know the usual if you have a brain and some time to look it up.
I'm angnostic to all religion and look to science as the key the everything.

Everything evolves
Evolution is a FACT of the universe people
the MECHANISM of evolution, or how evolution occurs is still just a theory.
There are 2 definitions for theory.
One, that a theory is just a guess
and two, that is a theory in that it has been reviewed ungodly amounts of times, includes major evidence and accepted by most scientists and still has to be reviewed.
It all has to do with pre-supposition. Carbon dating methods, and fossil research do not take into account the possibility (and realistic possiblitiy at that) that a global flood occured. Therefore right off the bat they don't take into concideration the chemicals in rock and mineral that would have been washed away from water. Therefore less chemicals means, to scientists, that more time must have passed, etc etc. There are fossils that have shown to be fossilized INSTANTLY. Aside from that, there have been carbon dating tests on things that are thousands, and even hundreds of years old that have shown to them to be millions or even billions of years. Creationists and evolutionists alike have the same information to deal with... hte same resources, and yet they use their pre-suppositions to come up with two different answers.

Evolution is a religion, I'm sorry. It is a religion because it, like christianity, is based on faith. There is not an ounce of proof that humanity has ever been any different. Infact, the fatal error in evolution, and it's theology is that its inevitable goal is for humanity to evolve into perfection. Not all believe this I'm sure, but a lot of people think humanity can and will save itself through our own effort and evolution. That shows me that A-even atheists know that we're somewhere we're not suppost to be spiritually, and B-that we are a creation that needs to be saved.

Evolution is a fact you say? I think you're on to something there, but I think the way we think of evolution is wrong. Without relying on what other people tell you about evolution, what about it makes sense/doesn't make sense? I know from simple observation that things seem to adapt to their environment, and that it has at times gotten to the point where adaptation requires a complete overhaul...however this "evolution" that we observe only happens when there is a requirement for it. If it's too cold, animals seem to come up with longer hair. If a small pond is slowly draining, fish might become frogs...etc.Evolution isn't however, the cause. It is rather the effect. It's only when a requirement for evolution exists that it occurs.
What reason would evolution ever possibly have that would give a creature of the Earth reason to develope thinking, or even emotions...what reason would love have to come into existence in a completely material world? What natural environment would a creature have to have in order that it would need logical thinking, rather than just instinct?
Personally, I believe we were given these things not for our time on earth, but for our time with God...knowledge, wisdom, and love were given to us in a way that we might know and love God (and of course that little bit of God that is in everyone). There is really no other reason for us to have these things.

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But it would be silly for a person to not accept Evolution and Natural Selection as certain becuase of all the evidence; unless you were a fundamentalist christian stubborn as hell to never question or re-interprete the bible as anything that isn't "right" or your local pastors interpretation.
In reality, ID(intelligent design) is just some other way that the Church controls it's people by trying to pass ID off as science, when it is just a intepretation of the Judeo-Christian bible. If you can get a mass of people to believe in 1 thing that is stone cold evidence to the mass, then the controller has power.
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Why should it be expected of me to requestion my beliefs over and over again when you take what scientists tell you as unquestionable fact? Especially after all the errors we've made in our "scienctific findings" that have become known. There are many scientists that disgregard evolution, and many that don't, so even THEY don't agree with eachother. Atheistic science, which is all for evolution, is often looked at as the best way to go about doing things because it neither includes, nor excludes any single religion...but the fatal flaw is that atheism is also a religion. It's the least "religion like" on the outset because it has no doctrine, nor any single belief that would be neccessarily consistent with another atheist's belief, but it is still a "belief" in something that is unknown. Therefore evolutionists, like creationists, base their findings FIRST on what they believe to be true, secondly on what they've found.

Finding truth is an individual effort. I ask God if what I'm believing is right on a daily basis, and ask him for knowledge and wisdom that I might know HIM, not "church"...christianity is my religion yes, but just because it's a "religion" does not mean you have to have blind faith in the least in believing it. I can garuntee you I've been more critical of my faith in christianity than you