Quote Originally Posted by mrdevious
I dont' see how you claim that both evolution and creationism are both based on presupposition. evolution is a science that grew and continues to grow and change based on new findings and evidence. the world is not this simple place where you choose your side and base your theory off it, real science is objectively analysing real evidence to find out as much as you can. all the bible is is a book of claims. there's no evidence or sceintific theory behind it's creation, it was created so as to spread the message that god has all your answers.

besides, the whole water pressure making dinosaur bones look old is just rediculous. besides the fact that there's no explanation as to where all the water came from and went, palaentologists didn't look at dinosaur bones and say "hey, you know that bone looks like it's..... let say 100 million years old". water pressure wouldn't change radioactive decay, wouldn't affect bone decay in the same way, and it doesn't account for there being varations in bone ages by as much as 200 million years and maybe more (speaking strictly of dinosaurs).

what it all comes down to is the bible doesn't actaully have any evidence other than trying find holes in other people's evidence.
You seem to know a lot about this field of science? Perhaps you've studied it? Anyway, the bible clearly says that rain came down, but the "waters of the deep burst forth". It's one thing when writting a fictional story involving acts by super natural forces to simply just "provide enough water", but the bible itself is clearly somewhat scientific in it's story of the flood (at least it contains more scientific knowledge than any other doctrine, not to mention much of that science was not known at that time) The christian bible explains this very 'un-natural' (in the sense that it only happened once) world wide flood in the most sensible, realistic way that such a thing could happen. God never breaks any rule of nature, but rather bends them.The idea that water also came up from the ground and then very clearly decended back into the earth makes that question "where did all the water come from" a bit easier to see.

You know, it's a completely subjective thing, and that's why it's hard to argue about it. Person "A" sits in a corner and says I put my faith in what these evolutionists say because their reasons make sense...person "B" sits in the other corner saying I put my faith in what this bible says because it seems to speak to the world in a way no other book does. I'm sure both our opinions seem very odd to the other, but it's important to get across that I used to be atheist (and buddhist but that's aside from the point) and held evolutionairy views, though even at that time I had much skepticizm about them. I at least know where they come from, and the mindset that needs them, but there came a point in my life where most of my questions that went unanswered were answered when I finally gave up and asked God.