Evolution or God????. . . .

[MoonStarer420]

The science shown to support evolution keeps faling. carbon dating has been proven inacurate. There's no transitional fossils to support one species veoled to another. the Bible holds up under true scientific scrutiny.

False False False and you've given no example of this last "point."

Where are you getting all your information? The reason why evolution has such strong support from the scientific community is because evidence supports evolution. Carbon dating is very good at determining an age range for "young" (in compairison to the age of the Universe) fossils. And there are some fossils that show simularities in diffrent species of fossils. Check out the fossils of early hominids.

You don't even need to see fossil records for evidence of evolution. If one species is seperated into diffrent groups, so that no genetic material can pass from one group to the other, after time they will differ enough though mutations and variation to form 2 new species. Ex: There are a few new species of Cardinals arising on Hawaii. They were introduced there after the islands were colonized.

[mrdevious]

[QUOTE=Pyramidsonmars]

The god in a lot of peoples heads is one of a complete human nature. We cannot invent anything without putting a little bit of ourselves into it. The God of the bible claims to be the creator of everything. That is everything. The god in our heads is one that is completely subjective. Everyone's would be a little different if that were the case. If God is an all together real thing, than obviously there is a little bit of him in ourselves. God claims to be the perfect good, and therefore by observation we can see God when we see the good that exists in every person. Likewise we see a carnal nature; one that is sinful, and at a distance from God. This is where we observe the bent-goodness we know as "bad". My claim is that God is the most observed thing, something we are constantly striving for (whether we know it as "God" or simply the "things that please us" is due to our relationship with true goodness, or our bent-goodness due to sin-something that we indulge in but is entirely un-good) Everyone has caught themselves lying to themselves at one point, almost as if one part of them were trying to shut out the other. There is obviously some natural form of schizophrenia inside all of us, a moral truth, and a carnal nature battling it out in that which we know has human morality. This is the closest we get to observing the little piece of God that we have in us as individuals.

That's an imensly flawed argument. This is what's called "begging the question", in which the proposed conclusion is used as part of the explanation. you're claiming we've observed god through the nature of god within us, under the as-yet-to-be-proven assumption that the natural human state is the result of god-induced quality. There is no evidence to support that the nature of the human consciouness is the result of gods influence, other than the assumption that the claim of such conditions is true.

[streettrash]

I'd like to point out here that creationism is not truly a theory, it's a hypothesis. In order for a hypothesis to become a theory, it must stand up to scientific experiementation. Until one of you designs a scientific experiment that can test for the existence of god, creationism is just a hypothesis.

Also, just because darwinism/creationism is faulty or wrong doesn't mean the other one is right. You guys are assuming there are only two possibilities.

[siSTARindigo]

Also, just because darwinism/creationism is faulty or wrong doesn't mean the other one is right. You guys are assuming there are only two possibilities.

I agree, I was going to post here but didn't because it was so long, and there totally needs to be more possablities than that. The problem is that either possability has possablities within them. For instance, Creationsim means God created us right? So say that is what you believe but you don't believe in reincarnation, and some who believe god created us do. And just because one may believe that god created us, it doesn't mean they subscribe totally to the bible.

It is such a huge idea, not something I think any one group can ever fully understand as humans. When we die, then we will KNOW. Until then I just take what resonates with me, I don't worry about the label that has been put on it. My beliefs come from all kinds of sources, that tend to back eachother up, just in different words. And I am always open for new info to add to my growing spiritual belief system. I think it is a life long cycle. We are constantly learning new things, if we are open to seeing them.

My 2 cents anyways,

Eva

[PureEvil760]

god did not create anything..the universe was not created by a big bang or anything..it just is its hard for humans to understand there is no beginning and no end. humans were always here they will always be here for all of eternity..i know ur thinking wtf is he talking about..i know its hard to understand but its like trying to understand the real world while ur mind is trapped in the matrix..keep in mind everything i have said and will continue to say may be and probably is completely wrong..i think words could probably only explain about .0001% of reality..give or take.

[MudFu]

Evolution, God, God, Evoloution. As it really makes a difference. We are here and here we will be. (sorry for repeating words like that, wasn't trying to xD) Wither this "God" put us here or not will never be truly known. I like to blend the two. I have some faith in the idea of God. Not the Bibles point of view on God but my point of view.

Why can't it be like this? God (go along with this for a few moments before you "prove" it wrong) Created the basics of life. He/She/It left the life to fend for itself. To grow and expand on its own, and so it did. Over time it grows (evolves if you will) to the point that we are now. We still grow, and in time we will be something else. At least with this idea you can believe in God and the evoloution theroy.

Of course...Thats if you believe other of these ideas. Like pure, street, and sistar said before me, their are more possibilities. I for one do not Believe that "God" created us (because I believe God is a state of mind, an idea of hope and peace, but thats not the point right now) or that we have evolved as darwin put it. There is something we are missing, something that we just can't seem to see, or we see it but do not wish to reconize it because its very idea can change how we see the world and the universe.

Well...whatever. I might be way off here but hey its only a thought. I have no way to prove this much as any of you do. Still, its nice to wonder.

[mrdevious]

god did not create anything..the universe was not created by a big bang or anything..it just is its hard for humans to understand there is no beginning and no end. humans were always here they will always be here for all of eternity..i know ur thinking wtf is he talking about..i know its hard to understand but its like trying to understand the real world while ur mind is trapped in the matrix..keep in mind everything i have said and will continue to say may be and probably is completely wrong..i think words could probably only explain about .0001% of reality..give or take.

what in the name of Iron Maiden (was just looking at my flag) are you talking about? I'm pretty sure humans didn't walk with the dinosaurs, let alone at the beginning of our volcanic earth and before there was an earth..... um..... could you pass some of that shit?

[beachguy in thongs]

What other possibilities would there be? Either we were placed here, or grew up here.

[Stfu its Matthew]

u guys dont get it u ever here the quote '' playing god '' but what if we actually are god couse u can see us cloning sheep ect ect... making new breeds of mary jane u see this is another thing to think about when it comes to god

nd believe it or not im not stoned....Lol


edit: what if we were dropped on earth with amnesia and we just adapted???? man i got a bunch of these

[mrdevious]

What other possibilities would there be? Either we were placed here, or grew up here.

You're creating a false dilema argument though. just because dont' currently have a full explanation for the origins of everything, doesn't mean there isn't one. limiting ourselves to "either god put us here or we evolved" isn't going to serve us well in finding the true answers.