Evolution or God????. . . .

[Pyramidsonmars]

I'll use Mount Ararat and assume 5200m.
This means that during the flood (according to the bible) about 6.3x10^17 m^3 of exess water was on the surface of the Earth. Assuming sea level was the same before and after. This is about 1.8 times the volume of the Atlantic ocean or approx. 2/5 of the current volume of water on the surface of the Earth.

So either the flood wasn't of the madnitude the bible claims or the sea level before the flood was much much lower.

I did this using the volume for a sphere, the radius of the Earth, the radius plus the height of Mt. Ararat and that website for the volume of water in the oceans.

No law of nature is broken if you really look at the account in genesis for the way the world was origionally (genesis implies the world had a different atmosphere....."the waters were divided and the gap was called sky"...water ON the earth as well as water ABOVE it) as it would have a different climate, and not to mention different plant life pre-flood. Therefore it's feesable (if you're willing to give it a try) to assume that because there was a canopy of water above the earth at this time, and that "floodgates of the deep were opened" (water coming up from the ground-we still don't really know what's down there) that it would ammount to enough water to drown the whole earth. Not to mention the Ice Age dudes! It's accounted for if you believe in the genesis flood as well! I'm saying a lot of science goes into creationism. It's less developed and newer than evolutionism, but the SAME facts and the SAME evidence is used to argue both cases...now it can't be a matter of science, but rather a matter of science in the hands of PEOPLE.

Therefore to prove, using science, that the bible is wrong is impossible, because you can prove, using science, that the bible is right as well. Now the question is an entirely new one grounded in what you're prepared to accept as true, outside of what "fits" YOUR lifestyle. It's a question of philosophy.

[beachguy in thongs]

god.... GOD??? Who the hell cares?!!!

Seriously, you all need to stop contemplating things like these, you will never be wiser from it.

Anyway it really doesn't matter if there is a god, lets just hope, that if he does exsist, that none of the religions, are right about him, cuz then we're all screwed.

Are you ever greatful for what you have in your life? Do you thank yourself for everything that you love?

I'm not debating the existence of God, just expressing myself in a more mature manner.

[Garden Knowm]

THONGY -
i was not thankful to see the pictures of you in your chonies with you nut sack twisted up in a knot...

but my sister was....
love

[beachguy in thongs]

THONGY -
i was not thankful to see the pictures of you in your chonies with you nut sack twisted up in a knot...

but my sister was....
love

Sister??? Did you say "your sister"?

Cool.

[Funken Monken]

It's funny but there is also countless evidence FOR creation. The idea of creation however would require the teaching of religion. It's because, for some reason, religion isn't allowed to be taught to the public in our multi-culteral continent.

There have also been countless changes to the theory of evolution. New evidence is always changing old ideas, whereas creationism has remained intellectually defendable and unchanged (that is creationism according to the bible)

www.answersingenesis.org has a LOT of creationism information

Yes, but you see that website contains what can be described as 'unmitigated bollocks', non of it having been proven or to have any evidence to support, other than that completely fabricated by those of the great oxymoron, Christian Scientists

[MoonStarer420]

...assume...canopy of water above the earth at this time, and that "floodgates of the deep were opened" (water coming up from the ground-we still don't really know what's down there) that it would ammount to enough water to drown the whole earth.

When you assume your only allowed to make an Hypothisis. If you find evidence for these underground chambers, then I'd be more willing to accept theses ideas. If a lot of this water was in the atmosphere then Earth would have defenatly been a much much hotter place, for H20 is a Greenhouse gas and would absorb aserious amount of the Energy from the Sun. I guess I feel that many of the explanations (not only for this flood but for many other ideas from Creationists) lack qualitative models. All the places on the Web I've found give poor (and twisted for physics and Astronomy) answers. Not To mention I cant find a single puplished scintific paper anywhere. I mean where did all this water go? Back into the ground? It would have needed to be under pressure (or needed some other potential energy) in order to work against gravity to reach the surface. Then where would it have gone? back under water? Polar icecaps? There still seems to be many questions to be answered in order for this idea to be taken seriously.

as creationists are the only one's who believe it and therefore are the only one's who bother researching about it

I doupt this, many cultures from around the world (muiltiple sources) have incorperated a flood story into their cultures. So I don't deny it has happened but I seriously doupt it has happened to the magnitude of what you speak.

I mean were still talking only about biological evolution. It's only a part of the total evolution of our Universe. What about Hubbles constaint? The abundances of metals and Hydroden and the Big Bang? Fusion and nuclear synthesis inside of the Sun and their use to determine the age of globular clusters? The existance of Dark matter and Dark energy?
Evolution (of both the cosmos and biology) are very strongly supported by quantitative and obsrevational evidence. Not becuase Scientists want it that way but becuase the evidence points to it. Creationism will never be a solid theory because it depends on "God" who is not directly observable.

btw: " the last ice age ended about 10,000 years ago" Did yours happen 5999 years ago? Or did it happen during the 6 days? I don't know too much about the Bible.

[beachguy in thongs]

Water can be lifted into the atmosphere and burnt up by the sun, it doesn't have to hide in a corner. Augh! My hands are greasy, I just ate.

[Torog]

Howdy LOVElife,

I voted for God being the Creator,of course. :thumbsup:

There's been found to be some degree of fakery involved with scientists attempting to support the Darwin model--even outright fakery,why would scientists have to resort to fakery to support Darwin ?

I don't see how anyone who tokes marijuana and understands just how complex a plant it is,can believe that Nature evolved a plant that can do so much good for so many folks with different problems and needs. Why would Nature even evolve such a plant ?

I believe that God created marijuana for us to use as medicine,and that He created hemp for food,fuel,fiber and medicine too,hemp also has the ability to clean-up the enviroment,as well..why would Nature evolve such a plant ?

When I sit in my living-room and see the way that a single doobie,can help an epilectic feller,my gal with her pain and depression and me,with my bad back and arthritis,all at the same time and each of us with our different problems..it strikes me -- that only God could create such a wonderful plant,capable of helping each person with their diverse problems and ailments..how is it--that so many of y'all..don't feel that ? What have y'all done to yer souls ? Where's yer spirituality ? How can one be only half of what one is ?

Have a good one ....

BTTT

[Shelbay]

All you have to do is look at the poll results so far EVOLUTION BY A MILE . Look around you it is so obvious 2006 and years of brainwashing and you guys still aint met the guy . You would think he'd make an appearence just to shut us non-believers up would'nt ya ? Do The Evolution Baby !!!!!

Like a poll on this board would convert a real christian. He will be back..alot of you on here have all the right words right now..hope you make your peace with God before he does decide to "come back".

[Funken Monken]

^^^^ 2006 years (apparently, I mean what proof is there) and counting! Nothing so far......man, I'm off to enjoy life before I'm worm food - and nothing else!