Evolution or God????. . . .

[mont974x4]

The big bang would include the theory that our galaxy is spinning and becoming wider...this is not so. We are not getting further away from the sun.

If we were wouldn't that mean that at the beginning we would have been much closer to the sun? That would mean that life could not have been here under such conditions. The sun has always been at just the right distance for life on earth.

[bigp1612]

"I don't understand how some creationist can accept variation and not evolution. If animals "change a little at a time" (though mutations and variation) given enough time they will develop into new animals. It has everything to do about genetics, not what you as a human classify the animals as."

Variation or Speciation is completely different. Speciation would be like a a dog evolving into labs, retrievers, chiuawawa (sp?), and any other variation. Even a dog growing wings and losing some other trait. The main point is that no new information is added to the dna.

Macroevolution involves taking some simple matter and eventually evolve into something much more complex. It would be like taking a normal skateboard and turning it into a helicopter. Tons of information must be added for this to happen, and it is simply not possible.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

There is no..I repeat NO evidence whatsoever to support the idea of Evolution (the view of evolution that we evolved from single cell organism)

the problem with this thread is duality.

it thrives on seperating god from reality, to say that god is not human, to say that god is not table, to say god is not oxygen.

god IS evolution, this, reality, is the evolution of god.


everything has a single, one demensional starting point; god.

the universe was created by god, but ALL life within it was a product of god's own evolution, reflected in physical bodies.


... and come on! evidence can be destroyed, every politician knows that. :dance:

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

The big bang would include the theory that our galaxy is spinning and becoming wider...this is not so. We are not getting further away from the sun.

If we were wouldn't that mean that at the beginning we would have been much closer to the sun? That would mean that life could not have been here under such conditions. The sun has always been at just the right distance for life on earth.

do yo uhave any clue how ignorant that was?


it's not going to take 2 years for any noticable changes in distance from the sun, let alone any distance our sun is to the center of the galaxy, which i suspect is a giant sun.

it would take some 200 eons just to notice an inch of distance!

if we sped up the speed of the galaxy, not only would it be a beautiful foreworks display, but we'd see so far beyond our god damned noses...

[MoonStarer420]

The main point is that no new information is added to the dna.

This statement proves how ignorant you are on this subject. DNA codes for proteins, these proteins build structures and these are seen as traits. Labs look diffrent then other dogs because they have diffrent DNA. But it's still close enough for them toreproduce with other kinds. Now try crossing a Chimp with a Bonobo and you wont get squat. This is because two diffrent species of apes were seperated by (I think it's the Congo) a river thus cutting off and genetic flow. Now enough time has passed that they have diverged into two diffrent species.

Macroevolution involves taking some simple matter and eventually evolve into something much more complex.

This is a complete misconception of how evolution works. Things don't necessarily have to evolve to become more complex. There is variation and mutations within a species and those better suited to their environment have a higher chance of survival. How can you say extinct species were less complex? That's bullshit. The Universe as a whole is complex and so was life as it started and evolved. Science is the only tool we can use to simplify it enough to understand it without losing sight of what may really be happening.

It would be like taking a normal skateboard and turning it into a helicopter. Tons of information must be added for this to happen, and it is simply not possible.

This analogy proves nothing, and we are all much stupider for reading this.

[MoonStarer420]

The big bang would include the theory that our galaxy is spinning and becoming wider...this is not so. We are not getting further away from the sun.

If we were wouldn't that mean that at the beginning we would have been much closer to the sun? That would mean that life could not have been here under such conditions. The sun has always been at just the right distance for life on earth.

A galaxy is not our solar system. Both are gravitationaly bound (not unwinding) but they are both infulanced by very diffrent mechinisms. Our planet was closer to the Sun (Not that much closer), but it was cooler and less luminous then it is today. The solar system was formed out of a collapsing gas/dust cloud most of that material (that stayed in the solar system) formed the Sun. The planets and other minor bodies formed out of a gas/dust torris around the Sun.

Yea Stoner Shadow Wolf is right about one thing (Not about the center of the solar system being a giant sun) "it's not going to take 2 years for any noticable changes in distance from the sun, let alone any distance our sun is to the center of the galaxy..."

I don't know where your getting the idea that our galaxy is widing from the Big Bang Theory. Our Galaxy isn't expanding away from itself, but other galaxies at significant distances (were talking a couple dozen mega parsecs here) are.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

oh, please share as to what is at the center of our galaxy, i've always wondered really.

[MoonStarer420]

oh, please share as to what is at the center of our galaxy, i've always wondered really.

We've had this discussion before. Well anyway I offered a link above. It's not just our Galaxy, in almost every other Galaxy you'll probally find a super massive Black hole. Exept in irregulars like the LMC. I'm not saying they lack BH's. Just that irregulars don't have them, just not at their centers and may not me super massive.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

ah PROBABLY doesnt cut it. my guess is as good as anyone else's, with or without an educated guess at that.


an ineducated guess could later be proven, even though the fool who guessed it was just spouting out random ideas and speculations.

but im sure that it's a black hole... hell it's likely a black hole that is filled up to the brim! lol

[MoonStarer420]

ah PROBABLY doesnt cut it.

I said Proabaly because we haven't checked out every single galaxy's center, but all the Ellipticals and Spirals we have looked at has a big old muther in the middle. I guess "big" if we are talking mass, not volume