Evolution or God????. . . .

[beachguy in thongs]

Keep on thinking of brilliant ways to deny Him, that will pass your time until you wait for death.

[CocaCola]

Or you can accept Him and?

[MoonStarer420]

I'd really like to see someone do a test on the actual results of putting fossils and rock under THAT much pressure of water on the earth for that long.

How deep did the water rise during this time? Was it enough to cover Mount Everest? or did it stop at the tree line?

[MoonStarer420]

How deep did the water rise during this time? Was it enough to cover Mount Everest? or did it stop at the tree line?

I'll use Mount Ararat and assume 5200m.
This means that during the flood (according to the bible) about 6.3x10^17 m^3 of exess water was on the surface of the Earth. Assuming sea level was the same before and after. This is about 1.8 times the volume of the Atlantic ocean or approx. 2/5 of the current volume of water on the surface of the Earth.

So either the flood wasn't of the madnitude the bible claims or the sea level before the flood was much much lower.

I did this using the volume for a sphere, the radius of the Earth, the radius plus the height of Mt. Ararat and that website for the volume of water in the oceans.

[flavour]

All you have to do is look at the poll results so far EVOLUTION BY A MILE . Look around you it is so obvious 2006 and years of brainwashing and you guys still aint met the guy . You would think he'd make an appearence just to shut us non-believers up would'nt ya ? Do The Evolution Baby !!!!!

[streettrash]

Even if it doesn't sound that way (I rarely sound polite) I'm not really calling anyone here stupid, and I'll admit right now that while I do know a lot about the scientific process and argument building, I can't claim I know anything for sure when it comes to the creation of life.

Evolution has NOT been proven. Anyone that claims there is undeniable proof of evolution is lying to you. Of course, any scientist should know that nothing can be proven 100 percent, so that's also not a reason to doubt evolution. There IS evidence that SUGGESTS evolution.

Creationism has NOT been proven and there is NO evidence to even suggest it, and most likely there never will be. That's not to say creationism is stupid and impossible, just that creationism is a matter of faith, not science, and cannot be proven using the scientific method. We don't have any other method of proving things yet, so until we do there will never be any proof of creationism.

OF COURSE CREATIONISM CAN EXPLAIN EVERY FLAW IN EVOLUTION. All a creationist has to say is "God did it" and they've explained it. Obviously most creationists are slightly more specific, but essentially that's what they're saying.

In my opinion creationism can't, and shouldn't be argued. There is no argument for creationism because there are no real facts that can be used in an argument for or against creationism, it goes nowhere. That's not to say creationism isn't possible (in fact, many aspects of it even seem likely to me) but it's a matter of faith and religion, not science and debate. Likewise, Evolution can't be argued as an alternative to creationism because science and faith just aren't that connected. If you're going to argue for a scientific theory, you need to argue against another scientific theory, not god.

Personally, I believe in a little of both. Being a scientist, I believe in the ability of the scientific method to find the truth, and science shows a lot of support for the basic idea around evolution, even if the whole thing is still obviously flawed. Being a human being with eyes and ears, I also can't believe life randomly bubbled out of some really old puddle and just happened to evolve into me and you, that seems a little more far fetched than god creating us in 6 days. It seems more likely that evolution is a very real thing (My uncle once told me dinosaur bones are just god trying to test us, which is complete BS, why would god lie and decieve us into thinking he wasn't real?) and it also seems likely to me that evolution didn't just happen by chance. The odds of bacteria evolving into humans, even over billions of years, is just too small. I don't doubt there was some divine presence helping it along.

[Garden Knowm]

Believing in god is like beliveing anything.. it is just a belief...
beliefs are fleeting thoughts in fleeting lives..

this does not mean there is not a god... it just means that if you believe in god.. it is nothing else other than a belief... no more powerful, no more helpful, than believeing in Santa Claus, or Gravity or the bible.

Is there a way to KNOW something?

if you are feeling immediate answers pop up to these questions,
or rebutals to others POSTS and statements..
if you are being "reactionary" then this is a clear sign that you are "in your head" or in belief mode... this is the constant state of 99% of the planet...
most people are so "reactionary" that they don't even know it..
The thought in their heads come one right after another .. with no GAP no SPACE..
They are UNCONCIOUS... if you point this out to them, they will wake up for 1 second.. and then quickly go back unconcious and become reactionary.. defending their false IDENTITY...based on their beliefs...

is there any other state...
YES
you can choose to evolve.. choose to be with "god"... you can choose to "BE"...
you can choose to take your awareness out of the mind and BE..

Your eternal self is AWARENESS... humans have pointed their awareness at their mind for so long that they have become confused and think that they are their mind.

It would be as if you were in front of your computer so much that you forgot you were a human.... it is that insane...

If you wish to see or experience a glimpse of what you really are... you will most likely have to sit in a non reactionary state. Stilness...SITTING ...

your mind will never allow you to have this glimpse of BEINIG of GOD..
no amount of praying, or going to church, or doing LSD or smoking weed... NO AmOUNT will allow you to get a glimpse.

You will have to conciously choose to evolve... You will conciously have to choose to evolve and become one with "GOD"... to beome I...

I AM..

Many people have experiences that put them
in a state of BEING...
A state of I AM..
A state of LOVE..
A state of STILL MIND...
A state in which ones awareness is not held captive by the mind.
When this expeience of I AM...LOVE.. FREEDOM... BEING... GOD... (what ever you want to call it) is over... when one once again becomes captive of the mind...

The mind will make up an explanation.. a belief... it often comes in the form of religion and people turn to god and this leads them back to their mind... away from just being.. they go back to beliefs.... belief that preserve their false IDENTITY
I AM JO BLOW, STONER, CHRITIAN, FOOTBALL PLAYER, BLAH bLAH bALJAJKHAKJHz

LOL - look at all the posts above this one.. reactions of the mind... defending a POSITION or attacking anothers position in order to solidify the ones own IDENTITY... andthe foundation of the minds identity is BELIEFS... NO BELIEF is TRUTH... belief are only relative truths....

the truth is... I AM...

LOVE
the opposite of BIRTH is DEATH
LIFE IS TIMELESS
YOU ARE LIFE
LOVE

[Danish Hashhead]

god.... GOD??? Who the hell cares?!!!

Seriously, you all need to stop contemplating things like these, you will never be wiser from it.

Anyway it really doesn't matter if there is a god, lets just hope, that if he does exsist, that none of the religions, are right about him, cuz then we're all screwed.

[Torog]

Howdy LOVElife,

I voted for God being the Creator,of course. :thumbsup:

There's been found to be some degree of fakery involved with scientists attempting to support the Darwin model--even outright fakery,why would scientists have to resort to fakery to support Darwin ?

I don't see how anyone who tokes marijuana and understands just how complex a plant it is,can believe that Nature evolved a plant that can do so much good for so many folks with different problems and needs. Why would Nature even evolve such a plant ?

I believe that God created marijuana for us to use as medicine,and that He created hemp for food,fuel,fiber and medicine too,hemp also has the ability to clean-up the enviroment,as well..why would Nature evolve such a plant ?

When I sit in my living-room and see the way that a single doobie,can help an epilectic feller,my gal with her pain and depression and me,with my bad back and arthritis,all at the same time and each of us with our different problems..it strikes me -- that only God could create such a wonderful plant,capable of helping each person with their diverse problems and ailments..how is it--that so many of y'all..don't feel that ? What have y'all done to yer souls ? Where's yer spirituality ? How can one be only half of what one is ?

Have a good one ....

[Pyramidsonmars]

How deep did the water rise during this time? Was it enough to cover Mount Everest? or did it stop at the tree line?

I THINK it says 40 feet above the tallest peak in the bible, but I could be wrong (might be 20)...needless to say a number IS given dudes...I mean that this thing is actually possible to prove. I'd really like to see some science put in to testing the flood theory...I mean a lot of it (as creationists are the only one's who believe it and therefore are the only one's who bother researching about it).