Quote Originally Posted by Libertarian Toker
"America,will not and should not,retreat from taking the risk and opportunity to spread democracy and free choice"

High ya Torog! Yep, that forcing people to change their political views with war sure does bring a lot of danger along with it that we will have to face in the future, don't it? I'm a little confused about this free choice thing you speak of though. Can you explain to me how you can force someone to do what you want them to, and then call it free choice? You do realize that your doing exactly what you say your against others doing, right? You get bent about islam spreading their religion, or commi's spreading their crap, yet you are willing to do the same thing and call it good. Your wishing to spread your brand of government with force is not the answer to the problem Torog, it's the cause of the problem. It causes problems when religions do it, it causes problems when commi's do it, and guess what? It causes problems when we do it also.

Toker
yeah, i agree with you on that, Toker. forcing your will on anyone, for any reason, is wrong. it violates the Zero Aggression Principle that i believe in http://www.0ap.org the muslims seem to like living under dictatorships and theocracies, and until they decide to change their own situation(though open rebellion or diplomacy), then they should have to live with what they have. i don't think American soldiers should die so people that hate us can live.

i think we (the US) need to pull in all of our troops from around the world(and defend our own borders, this would stop terrorism dead in its tracks if the Border Patrol had the manpower, funding and support from the top brass that it needs to close the wide open borders and be effective. i disagree with the Libertarian Party's stance on immigration, i think it's foolish ), and end foreign aid to every nation. i find nothing wrong with isolationism. really, i could give a fuck less if the rest of the world went to hell in a hand basket. the US military is not the global police force, nor should it be.

we need to worry about trying to liberate our own country from the military-industrial-financial complex that's held us enslaved since 1913 (of course i'm talking about the Federal Reserve ). let the arabs worry about the arabs, and the europeans worry about europe. we have enough problems of our own.