My qualms with atheism.

[ADaisyChain]

WHO said that? I'd like to know if an Atheist said it. I do not accept definitions of Atheism from theists (such as Webster)

I do not accept definitions from people who make up their own definitions.

Coming into a thread on atheism with your own made up definition is like a christian going into a christian thread, arguing how it's right, and then two posts later saying
"No ya see, I'm a christian but I think Jesus was a false prophet. Ya see, to ME to be a christian just means that I think Jesus was a real cool guy."

lol. Cmmooonnn.

But go ahead and give me your definition, I'm a couple'a ears.

[ADaisyChain]

You cannot cram centuries of Atheism into a couple of sentences - it's stupid to even try to.

You added this edit after I posted.

Run run as fast as you can.
I won't catch you, you're an atheist, man.
Stuck in your ways
You'll discuss them for days
Until asked just to shorten them up.

What do you think of my poem?

[Breukelen advocaat]

I do not accept definitions from people who make up their own definitions.
Coming into a thread on atheism with your own made up definition is like a christian going into a christian thread, arguing how it's right, and then two posts later saying
"No ya see, I'm a christian but I think Jesus was a false prophet. Ya see, to ME to be a christian just means that I think Jesus was a real cool guy."lol. Cmmooonnn.
But go ahead and give me your definition, I'm a couple'a ears.

YOU are the one with the "made-up" definition, and you still have not told us who uttered the aforementioned quote. I spent about 30 minutes compiling a list of Atheist works, spanning hundreds of years, that are online. There are many good explanations in those books.

You cannot accept, or deny, an idea like Atheism (and it IS an "idea") with a just few lines. Reigion is also an "idea" - and probably the WORST one ever imagined by the human race.

It's late, and I could do better, but MY "one-line definition" of Atheism right now is:
Without theism.

That's it. Anything that is written by men claiming to have "special" knowledge of the "supernatural" is BULLSHIT! This includes the bible, koran, and all docrines of theology-based movements. It's all a gigantic fraud.

If this is not enough, and you are perfectly right to say that it isn't, then read some of the experts' opinions and observations that I have listed.

P.S. there are no gods, prophets, "holy" men, angels, devils, saviors, or ghosts. Anybody that claims that these entities exist is either stupid, insane, a liar, or all three.

[ADaisyChain]

* the doctrine or belief that there is no God
* a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* Atheism is the state either of being without theistic beliefs, or of actively disbelieving in the existence of deities. In antiquity, Epicureanism incorporated aspects of atheism, but it disappeared from the philosophy of the Greek and Roman traditions as Christianity gained influence. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

* The belief that God does not exist.
library.thinkquest.org/25416/gloss.htm

* One who denies or disbelieves the existence of a God.#
www.stsams.org/dictionary.html

* A belief that there are no gods. Greek "a-theos": without-god.
www.reasoned.org/glossary.htm

* belief that there is no god and that religion should be suppressed.
www.naiadonline.ca/book/01Glossary.htm

* n a) a disbelief [or unbelief] in the existence of deity b) the doctrine that there is no deity
tangents.home.att.net/data/rlgdef.htm

* Atheists In modern times, those who do not accept the monotheistic Christian God or any god. It formerly signified those who did not believe in the accepted divinity or divinities of the State or populace.
www.theosociety.org/pasadena/etgloss/ass-atm.htm

* An atheist is one who does not believe in the existence of God or gods. Pretty simple, right?
studentorgs.georgetown.edu/guskeptics/definitions.htm

* a (â??withoutâ?�) the (â??deityâ?�, or â??godâ?�). Atheism is a lack of belief in a god or gods.
www.strongatheism.net/intro/lexicon/

# the doctrine or belief in the existence of a God or gods
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

# Theism is the belief in one or more gods or goddesses. More specifically, it may also mean the belief in God, a god, or gods, who is/are actively involved in maintaining the Universe. This secondary meaning is shown in context to other beliefs concerning the divine below.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theism

# The teaching that there is a God and that He is actively involved in the affairs of the world. This does not necessitate the Christian concept of God, but includes it. (Compare to Deism)
www.carm.org/dictionary/dic_t.htm

# The belief that there is a God or gods.
www.fitzwimarc.org.uk/glossary/t.htm

# In the eighteenth century sense, Theism meant a belief in one God as the Creator and as the Almighty ever present power on earth and in man. Theists in general accepted the teachings of revelation and grace and differed from Deists (see "Deism") in this respect.
www.mises.org/easier/T.asp

# A philosophical system which accepts a transcendent and personal God who not only created but also preserves and governs the world, the contingency of which does not exclude miracles and the exercise of human freedom.*
www.stsams.org/dictionary.html

# Deity created the universe and continues to actively participate in the world's activities and in human history.
www.religioustolerance.org/tran_imm.htm

# Believing in a deity or deities (god/gods). A belief in religion. (Greek theos: god).
www.reasoned.org/glossary.htm

# Theism is the belief in one god, derived from the Judeo-Christian tradition. In a broad sense, it is generally associated with Chrstianity ( Christian theism ); in a particular sense, both Judaism and Islam are forms of theism as well. The term, however, is mostly used in a philosophic or apologetic context to indicate Christian monotheism. Sometimes, though, the term is used to distinguish monotheism from atheism, pantheism, polytheism, panentheism, etc.
www.apologetics.org/glossary.html

# the belief in a god or gods; Christian theism refers to the belief in one God who is creator and ruler of the universe, and who made Himself knowable through general and special revelation.
www.summit.org/resource/dictionary/

# Accepts the existence of God and the evidence of revelation. [PRS]
www.embassy.org.nz/encycl/t3encyc.htm

# is derived from the Greek (Theos) meaning "God" plus -ism. Theism for our intents and purposes is the belief in the true and living God who is Creator and sovereign Ruler of the universe and known by voluntary revelation.
www.theapologiaproject.org/glossary.htm

# Belief in [or belief in the probability of] the existence of God(s). A broad category encompassing a wide variety of beliefs, Theism does not specify the particular kind of God(s) believed in. There are several types of Theism including deism and monotheism, the belief in one God, pantheism, the belief that everything is God, and polytheism, the belief in many gods. ...
members.aol.com/porchnus/dict04.htm

# the belief that a god or gods exist. (See monotheism and polytheism.)
www.strongatheism.net/intro/lexicon/

# The belief in the existence of God, partially based on divine revelation.
homepage.tinet.ie/~peterc/a/a5.html

# the belief in a god or gods; a theist is one who believes in god.
www.d.umn.edu/~revans/Handouts/rel_terms.htm

Here's the thing. Theism is the belief in a god or gods. So without theism, means without belief in god or gods. Which equates to the exact definition I gave. Sillypie.

[ADaisyChain]

ps - i win.

lawl, kidding.

[CocaCola]

Hey God created everything but who created God? I'll stick with this argument. There is nothing that could have created God and nothing can exist without meaning, and God being the original omnipotent omnipresent master of the universe doesn't have any reason to exist... why would he... he is the all and the everything, right? He didn't need to create shit... that is how he can't exist. We just made up this God theory because how we got here couldn't be explained. It's a fairy tale, guys... A guy up in the sky.. oh wait, no... BEYOND the reaches of outer space and time? I bet he's jsut up there playing pin-ball with his ass crack sticking out.

[420kidder]

ADaisyChain
You're beginning to make even less sense in your own thread. Some things that you said make sense, while others don't, but I guess that happens every day in god's world. Just because the world has existed for some time now, doesn't mean that someone created it. Yes it exists so it was created, no shit. It's called physics. Many other planets are born all the time, those aren't unanswered questions, they're facts that scientists witness on occasion.

Based on your rants, IMO you should not be concluding that the universe is infinite. Just because you feel something doesn't mean you're right. I'm sure it's big, but I doubt it's infinite.

How did the earth get here? It was created, not by man. I don't think superman had anything to do with it either. I guess you're probably thinking it was god. Did his friends help him build the earth or did he do it solo, cuz I gotta say, that must've been some hard fucking work if I may say so.

Now if you were to say that Aliens are possible, I would gladly say you're right, in fact we've found life sustaining substances outside of our planet. But we haven't found god's huge hammer to build the mountains.

I bet the millions of species of plants, animals, etc. were on the ark too?

I guess I just don't understand how people can believe in this shit because they were told to at one point, but for so many it's out of the question that there isn't and hasn't been any god. You call it faith, I call it stupidity.

You can say whatever you'd like, and I'll respond accordingly, but if I was to go around saying that my dead father will rise again and my dead father created everything that you see and is responsible for everything that happens, I'd be in need of a psychiatric ward.

[CocaCola]

We're all energy, maaan.

[ADaisyChain]

Listen, please read before posting here 420KIDder

I don't believe in a god, as I stated several times throughout my post. What created physics?

I believe the bible was manmade, I believe the ark was an item out of someone very creative's imagination. So please do not speak on behalf of my beliefs.

Please read my whole post before replying in my threads... I know its long, but if its too long for you, do not follow it up.

And theism doesn't apply only to christianity anymore then atheism is merely the denial of christianity. Update your brain.

Edit: You think the universe is finite? lol. If thats the case, what contains it?

Thank you.

[ADaisyChain]

Hey God created everything but who created God?

I agree. I think it's more likely that the universe is the original infinite then god being the original and then creating us.