seek the LORD you will find him

[Oneironaut]

That's a pretty sure sign that you believe in God for emotional and psychological reasons rather than logical ones. If you had a logical argument, you would present it and get the whole thing over with. But you don't. You just find the idea comforting that there's some fatherly figure looking over you and taking care of you. I understand that. I used to believe in God when I was a kid. But there just isn't any reason to believe it is so.

[MudFu]

I told you before I don't use logic with my beliefs. Logic will hold them down. Yes I like the idea of having more but I do not think God watchs me and takes care of me. I have reasons for my beliefs but they are ot logical in a physical sence. You would dismiss them without a little thought on them.

[Oneironaut]

Well of course. How can you believe something which isn't logical? That just flies in the face of logic. I couldn't conceive of doing such a thing. Illogical things just don't fit into my brain. I can't get myself to believe 2 + 2 = 5 no matter how hard I try. How do you do it?

If it's not based on logic, what is it based on then? I think the answer is pretty clear. You're pretending the world is a certain way because you want it to be that way. Nobody ever comes up with faiths which disagree with the way they want the world to look.

[MudFu]

Well I guess you can only believe something on either logic or emotion, is there really any other way?. No matter, I much rather be ruled by emotion then logic. I seem many people become dull and drear because they only see logic of something. Look at the Vulkins on star trek for example Lol sorry I don't really mean to use them as an example, moms watching it on T.v and spock started to talk Lol.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

hehe i always try to keep my belief in the spiritual aspect of life logical, dispite it's constantly locking such, according to weirdo

[MudFu]

Well I feel you can't make faith logical all the time. Some things can't be explained. I'm ok with that. I would like to understand it but I can't grasp it yet.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

yes they can, the thing is you have to have a higher understanding before you can adequately explain, but even then, not all things can be adequately explained with only words, some things you must see to understand.


meditate by focusing ONLY on the thought of light. it might be trippy, it was for me.

[Oneironaut]

Well I feel you can't make faith logical all the time. Some things can't be explained. I'm ok with that. I would like to understand it but I can't grasp it yet.

That's why you have to have the courage to say "I don't know", instead of pretending you have the answers. We currently don't have the ability to use logic to explain everything, but what it can't explain is simply beyond the bounds of the knowable. How can you know something without using logic to figure it out? By making shit up and convincing yourself it's true, or as you call it, "faith".

[MudFu]

Lol well I have said I didn't know everything. Since I have these ideas thats not logical I call it faith.

[Oneironaut]

But how can you take any idea seriously which isn't based on logic? Where do such ideas come from? Only ideas which can be tested can be deemed to be true. I can't even comprehend trying to understand things beyond the bounds of logic. How do you get there? What is there to say about it, and how can you possibly know you're right? Do you just have to guess and hope your guesses are right?