'Twas the Night Before Solstice

[lemonboy]

Your reply was so disgusting and offensive,that I could not bring myself to qoute it..and it most likely does not deserve the dignity of a response.

You're the one that started this by posting MULTIPLE threads making fun of solstice and those who celebrate it. The fundamental problem with Christianity has been and will always be it's follower's mission to convert the rest of the world. Only a very weak person would be so easily swayed.

[Polymirize]

I know that you've got to be kidding. Bill O'Reilly is not advocating Solstice - he hates it. He goes for the new-fangled, crazy-assed worship of the alleged union between a ghost and a jewish teenaged "virgin" in the middle east two thousand years ago. When she shit out the little bastard "wise men" came with presents for it. The freak is supposed to be a great god that can keep you from burning for eternity in his father's proud kingdom of hell - presided over by another type of god, the "devil" (also created by the fuck-up father), whom the whole lot of the stupid trinity seems unable to control - or perhaps they rely on Satan for their insatiable need for the worship and subservience of humans.

Of course I was kidding, you read the first sentence right?

But my main point being, hey, happy whatever-the-hell-you-want-to-call-this-particular-season, because most people seem to celebrate about now regardless of their background.

And yeah, O'Reilly sucks ass, I get it...

[Breukelen advocaat]

Of course I was kidding, you read the first sentence right?But my main point being, hey, happy whatever-the-hell-you-want-to-call-this-particular-season, because most people seem to celebrate about now regardless of their background. And yeah, O'Reilly sucks ass, I get it...

Despite my misgivings about christinsanity, I enjoy the xmas (winter solstice) season. We have 50,000 years of genetically programmed backgrounds of celebrating the conquest of light over darkness. My most psychedelic winter was when the brotherhood of eternal love came out with the famous "Christmas Acid" years ago.

As long as idiots like O'Reilly have the bully pulpit, it's up to the rational people like us to speak up for freedoms and traditions that are our birthright. Fuck him - that stupid religion of his has caused more misery, ignorence, death and bloodshead than any other movement in history.

Happy Solstice

[kuulbns]

Yeesh! Does anyone here understand sarcasm? lol

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

doesnt look it

[Polymirize]

... I enjoy the xmas (winter solstice) season. We have 50,000 years of genetically programmed backgrounds of celebrating the conquest of light over darkness...

Actually I'm opposed to the concept of conquest. I prefer to think of my own perspective as a merging of the apollonian and dionysian virtues if you follow me... (?)

:thumbsup:

[Breukelen advocaat]

Actually I'm opposed to the concept of conquest. I prefer to think of my own perspective as a merging of the apollonian and dionysian virtues if you follow me... (?) :thumbsup:

Nietzsche, Dionysus and Apollo

Nietzsche does not fit any ordinary conception of the philosopher. He is not only remote from the world of the professorial or donnish philosopher, from tomes and articles, footnotes and jargon -- in brief, from the more modern image of the philosopher. He is equally far from the popular notion of the wise man: serene, past passion, temperate, and Apollonian. But this is clearly -- for those of you willing to explore -- part of Nietzsche's point: that is, to offer a new image, a philosopher who is not an Alexandrian academician, nor an Apollonian, but Dionysian.

Apollonian and Dionysian are terms used by Nietzsche in The Birth of Tragedy to designate the two central principles in Greek culture. The Apollonian, which corresponds to Schopenhauer's principium individuationis ("principle of individuation"), is the basis of all analytic distinctions. Everything that is part of the unique individuality of man or thing is Apollonian in character; all types of form or structure are Apollonian, since form serves to define or individualize that which is formed; thus, sculpture is the most Apollonian of the arts, since it relies entirely on form for its effect. Rational thought is also Apollonian since it is structured and makes distinctions.

The Dionysian, which corresponds roughly to Schopenhauer's conception of Will, is directly opposed to the Apollonian. Drunkenness and madness are Dionysian because they break down a man's individual character; all forms of enthusiasm and ecstasy are Dionysian, for in such states man gives up his individuality and submerges himself in a greater whole: music is the most Dionysian of the arts, since it appeals directly to man's instinctive, chaotic emotions and not to his formally reasoning mind.

Nietzsche believed that both forces were present in Greek tragedy, and that the true tragedy could only be produced by the tension between them. He used the names Apollonian and Dionysian for the two forces because Apollo, as the sun-god, represents light, clarity, and form, whereas Dionysus, as the wine-god, represents drunkenness and ecstasy.

Finally, a word or two from Walter Kaufmann:

Nietzsche's ideas about ethics are far less well known than some of his striking coinages: immoralist, overman, master morality, slave morality, beyond good and evil, will to power, revaluation of all values, and philosophizing with a hammer. These are indeed among his key conceptions, but they can be understood correctly only in context. This is true of philosophic terms generally: Plato's ideas or forms, Spinoza's God, Berkeley's ideas, Kant's intuition all do not mean what they would mean in a non-philosophic context; but scarcely anybody supposes that they do. In Nietzsche's case, however, this mistake is a commonplace -- surely because few other philosophers, if any, have equaled the brilliance and suggestiveness of his formulations. His phrases, once heard, are never forgotten; they stand up by themselves, without requiring the support of any context; and so they have come to live independently of their sire's intentions.[Source: Walter Kaufmann, From Shakespeare to Existentialism: An Original Study (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1959), pp. 207-8.]

[Breukelen advocaat]

Actually I'm opposed to the concept of conquest. I prefer to think of my own perspective as a merging of the apollonian and dionysian virtues if you follow me... (?) :thumbsup:

Nietzsche, Dionysus and Apollo

Nietzsche does not fit any ordinary conception of the philosopher. He is not only remote from the world of the professorial or donnish philosopher, from tomes and articles, footnotes and jargon -- in brief, from the more modern image of the philosopher. He is equally far from the popular notion of the wise man: serene, past passion, temperate, and Apollonian. But this is clearly -- for those of you willing to explore -- part of Nietzsche's point: that is, to offer a new image, a philosopher who is not an Alexandrian academician, nor an Apollonian, but Dionysian.

Apollonian and Dionysian are terms used by Nietzsche in The Birth of Tragedy to designate the two central principles in Greek culture. The Apollonian, which corresponds to Schopenhauer's principium individuationis ("principle of individuation"), is the basis of all analytic distinctions. Everything that is part of the unique individuality of man or thing is Apollonian in character; all types of form or structure are Apollonian, since form serves to define or individualize that which is formed; thus, sculpture is the most Apollonian of the arts, since it relies entirely on form for its effect. Rational thought is also Apollonian since it is structured and makes distinctions.

The Dionysian, which corresponds roughly to Schopenhauer's conception of Will, is directly opposed to the Apollonian. Drunkenness and madness are Dionysian because they break down a man's individual character; all forms of enthusiasm and ecstasy are Dionysian, for in such states man gives up his individuality and submerges himself in a greater whole: music is the most Dionysian of the arts, since it appeals directly to man's instinctive, chaotic emotions and not to his formally reasoning mind.

Nietzsche believed that both forces were present in Greek tragedy, and that the true tragedy could only be produced by the tension between them. He used the names Apollonian and Dionysian for the two forces because Apollo, as the sun-god, represents light, clarity, and form, whereas Dionysus, as the wine-god, represents drunkenness and ecstasy.

Finally, a word or two from Walter Kaufmann:

Nietzsche's ideas about ethics are far less well known than some of his striking coinages: immoralist, overman, master morality, slave morality, beyond good and evil, will to power, revaluation of all values, and philosophizing with a hammer. These are indeed among his key conceptions, but they can be understood correctly only in context. This is true of philosophic terms generally: Plato's ideas or forms, Spinoza's God, Berkeley's ideas, Kant's intuition all do not mean what they would mean in a non-philosophic context; but scarcely anybody supposes that they do. In Nietzsche's case, however, this mistake is a commonplace -- surely because few other philosophers, if any, have equaled the brilliance and suggestiveness of his formulations. His phrases, once heard, are never forgotten; they stand up by themselves, without requiring the support of any context; and so they have come to live independently of their sire's intentions.[Source: Walter Kaufmann, From Shakespeare to Existentialism: An Original Study (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1959), pp. 207-8.]

[Breukelen advocaat]

Howdy Breukelen,
Your reply was so disgusting and offensive,that I could not bring myself to qoute it..and it most likely does not deserve the dignity of a response. You reap what ye sow..and if you put out such awful,negative crap-then that's what you will recieve in return. May God have Mercy on yer soul..cuz yer gonna need it ! Have a good one ....

Hereâ??s my debunking of the virgin birth myth. Itâ??s pretty graphic, so be forewarned.

Mary herself was never pregnant. Her cousin Elizabeth, across town, had been knocked up again. Mary wanted to be the virgin mother of â??he that is born King of the Jewsâ?�, so she devised a plan. She got a local boy named Joseph to marry her, but she didnâ??t have vaginal intercourse with him. Instead, she had him drill her up the ass every night, and gave him oral sex when she got too sore down there to accept his member. During the daytime, whenever possible, she stretched her sphincter with all manner of fruits and vegetables until her asshole was expanded enough for Joseph to clasp his hands together, like a prayer and, with some lubrication purchased from the local drug store, push both his hands far up into her poop-chute.

She then started spreading rumors, and telling the local rabbi, that she was hearing voices and seeing visions about her being chosen by god to be the mother of his savior-son. She consulted a number of midwives, and found out the best ways to give birth to a premature, and underweight child. She promised her pregnant cousin Elizabeth 20% of the take if she would give Mary a prematurely-born baby boy to raise and bring up as her own. Now, the local rabbis werenâ??t stupid. They knew that there would have to be witnesses to the â??virgin birthâ?�, so they brought-in the â??wiseâ?� men to check out and verify this potentially great thing. So, the â??officialâ?� story is that they came AFTER the birth, is true â?? but they werenâ??t so â??wiseâ?�, as explained below.

So, cousin Elizabeth acts on the advice on inducing a premature birth. She has the baby early, which was fortunately a boy, wraps it up in oilcloth, and runs over to the barn where Mary is waiting. Joseph greases the baby up good by slathering it with pig manure, and, while Elizabeth pulls open Maryâ??s anus using both hands, Joseph proceeds to shove the newborn up Maryâ??s gaping anus headfirst. After they get the rest of the lad inside her, they run out to where the wise men are, and alert them that the big event is about to take place. The guys enter the barn, and Mary, completely naked, puts on a skirt, squats down with her dress coming down to the floor in front of herself, and shits out Elizabethâ??s baby boy feet first onto a pile of hay. The infant is covered in feces and urine, but the witnesses couldnâ??t see past Maryâ??s skirt, and figured that she â??lost controlâ?� during her heroic delivery. A little while later, the religious leaders had Maryâ??s hymen inspected by doctors and midwives, and it was intact. There was also the absense of an umbilical cord. A miracle!

The rest is, as they say, history. When you start out with a lie, as all religions do, nothing good will result from it.

Have a good one today!

[highinspain]

Keep up the good work............I like seeing Torag the great get pissed, especially at Solstice time