Quote Originally Posted by MudFu
And as for faith, you do not have logic to have faith...or else it isn't faith.
Exactly. Logic is a way of reliably obtaining information about the universe. Faith is pretending to have knowledge that you could not possibly know from evidence, which is illogical.
To have faith is to believe in and trust the unknown.
No, faith is pretending to have knowledge of the unknowable. Not being based on evidence and logic, it is not a reliable way of obtaining knowledge about the universe. It is nothing but guesses believed in absolutely.
Faith is your logic when you can't prove something.
On the contrary, there is no kind of logic that can be applied when you can't prove something one way or the other. When scientists don't know something about their field of study, they boldly state "I don't know". When people of faith find something about the universe they can't prove one way or the other, they say with certainty "It surely must be this way and anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar". And, predictably, another person of faith will state that he is a liar for believing what he believes. When you do not have evidence for something, you have to be able to say "I don't know". Just because there are mysteries about the universe doesn't mean you need to make up explanations for them and then pretend your guesses are facts.

My point is that we need to abandon this idea of "faith" in things for which there is not sufficient evidence. That is the core of critical thinking, of science itself, that wonderful mode of thinking that routinely provides the world with incredible new discoveries beyond the wildest imaginations of the previous generation. And what wonderful progresses has faith made for humanity? Nothing but oppression, war, censorship, intolerance and superstition. Science often has to clean up the mess that faith has left for it. Science had to climb enormous hurdles to get the germ theory of disease accepted over the demon theory and to get the heliocentric universe accepted over the biblical geocentric universe. Now in this country we are in a struggle to get the theory of evolution accepted over the theory that the Earth was created all at once sometime in the late Stone Age.

Let's abandon all this faith stuff and base our beliefs on evidence, shall we? All these faith-based theories made before we had all the evidence have historically been incredibly unreliable in reflecting the truth.