I give up on you SSW , as I said in the other thread your constant double standard and your tweaking of definitions to suit your point (but only at the time) is indicative that you really have no idea what your talking about. Try just one philosphy class or join a debate team you need to learn consistency more than anything. It's clearly implied they at the same time would perceive something different in the same place (if you couldnt see that(as it was the main part of the arguement without it , it wouldnt even be what we were discussing) then you obviously tried to twist my words to fit your point, I find you in contempt of "logic" (instead of contempt of court, lil joke, VERY little ).

"the mind is able to make some things appear any way it wants, untill ignorance, fears, and doubt are cast aside with clarity"

There I quoted you , the mind is not a separate entity WE are the mind, Try a neurology book please(or just speak to a high school biology teacher for christsakes). Also if I want Red to appear blue , it doesnt happen sorry, if some part of my brain is damaged or my ocular nerves (or even my cornea) PERHAPS possible but otherwise nope. No matter how much I try to convince myself of it once again science prevails. But I forget those are just simple illusions of science....that can be repeated ad nauseum with the same results everytime.....for everyone......

Consistency my friend stop the shifting