Quote Originally Posted by magnusalex
the stealing of the amercias was not down to reliigon.
the stealing of lands was not down to religions.
the first and second world wars were not down to religion.
the 2 atomic bombs in japan were not due to religions.
vietnam war was not due to religion.
genghis khan was not religious, hitler, or stalin, or po pot, or mugabe, bonaparte, the roman empire, saddam hussein, mussolini, all the european monarchs who stole lands were not religious.
Violent offenders are not religious, rapists, murderers, but monarchs and govts, and deluded people twist reliigon to suit their own invading or terrorist wishes.
religions did not shape humanity, humanity shapad humanity. weve never known a time without wars, even when in the hunter gatherer stages we were murdering our ancestors.
religious people who stick to the basics and guidelines of their religion are pillars of society, it is non religious people who use and abuse people, religions or peoples vulnerability.
society is weak and without decent religious people it would be more weak.
You don't understand my point: religion itself, independent of the people who practice it, is subversive.

The crusades were religious, the witch hunt was religious, Islamic terrorrism is religious, Jewish-Palestinian conflict is religious..

Wait a minute, did you say Hitler was not religiously motivated???? Are you from another planet? The core of Christian anti-semitism is that Christians believe Jews killed Jesus... If that's not religious, I don't know what is.

All the European monarchs? Ok, now I'm convinced you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The very concept of monarchy is intimately tied with religion. The Queen of England is still the head of the Church of England, in case you didn't know. All monarchs in Europe, some still to this day, represent God's will on Earth. That is at the core of European monarchy. Look it up.

You end by talking about hunters and gatherers fighting.... Sure they fought, and it probably wasn't in the name of religion. Now we have religion, and we're still fighting, just as hard, and probably even more cruelly. Is that progress to you? Even more senseless fighting on a huge scale, and that's how you defend religion?

YOU REPRESENT WHAT'S WRONG WITH RELIGION. You don't even think, you make no sense whatsoever, you don't use your supposedly God-given gift of REASON.

"Not their love of men but the impotence of their love of men keeps the Christians of today from--burning us."

"It was subtle of God to learn Greek when he wished to become an author--and not learn it better."

"The devil has the broadest perspectives for God; therefore he keeps so far away from God--the devil being the most ancient friend of wisdom."

"Jesus said to his Jews: 'The law was for servants--love God as I love him, as his son! What are morals to us sons of God!'"

"Christianity gave Eros poison to drink: he did not die of it but degenrated--into a vice."