Jesus' Return

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

"pointing out" my fallacies would be something like...


quoting the fallacious text, bolding the errors, and then submitting a formal complaint and report on what i said wrong, how else am i supposed to see something i never payed attention to in school? (lol yeah, social studies was a good chance to catch up on my much needed rest)


omnipotency is not impossible, it only takes an open mind to accept that it CAN BE BOTH, that is WHAT omnipotency is, a paradox (of paradoxes). omnipotency is like thought, are you ABLE to THINK of yourself making a boulder impossible for you to lift?

are you then immediately able to think you CAN lift it?

omnipotency works on the same manner as thought, your thoughts are mentally omnipotent. whereas omnipotency is a physical form of thinking, where your thoughts are or become physical entities.

[weirdo79]

Self defining omnipotence doesnt change the word definition sorry man.

And , im sorry I'm not going to take the time to bold and quote everything just for you, you dont do it for others why would I do it for you or anyone else. If you can't see the glaring mistakes your making your not hurting me(as im pretty sure anyone else who's not dogmatic about their "truth" can see) , only your message(as I've clearly pointed out the fallacies). Formal complaint and report LOL , no one has ever done that on this site ever man.....get a grip. Your trying to defeat the arguement with specious reasoning sorry man keep trying.

[weirdo79]

In the earlier post I meant "forest FOR the trees" (stoned typing fast not a good combo)

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

im sorry, what? you seem to be trying to say something along the lines of "im right, you're wrong".

then you're giving me some pretty lame and illogical reasons as to why i am speaking falsely.

is omnipotency not a philosophical idea? if it is not, then i apolagize, you're right, it is, indeed, just a silly play on words without any purpose, just to show that the idea of omnipotency can be impossible.


if it is a philosophical idea, then you cannot disprove it with a play on words, it is a philosophical idea, of being all powerful without limits beyond your own controll.

besides, it is not a physical being who uses omnipotency; they cannot create a themselves so heavy that themself cannot lift, you might say the being to become omnipotent IS the omnipotency itself; god.

so therefore, YES, GOD could create a boulder that is so heavy that a BODY THAT GOD CREATED could not lift it, but god could create another body which COULD lift it, or in fact recreate a body, without visible signs of tampering, to then lift the boulder.

at which point, god could decide to tamper with the boulder and add mass to it, without visible signs of tampering.


why is omnipotency impossible because another, unrelated, play on words is impossible?

omnipotency could make a red blue, and humans could be so unevolved that we see purple instead.

thinking inside the box does not disprove the existance of anything that is outside the box.

[weirdo79]

Philosphy is not reality my friend, even a philospher will admit that. Claiming for sure anything in a philosophical sense (ie: claiming it CAN be) is just as wrong as claiming it isnt. But im talking about the definition of the actual word, It's either can or cannot as I've stated earlier.

Your totally missing the point as well,its a simple question (no specious reasoning please) Either god CAN or CANNOT make a boulder so heavy he cannot lift it. Either way he either CAN or CANNOT lift it, either way once again theres only two choices not a myriad of classifications of different actions which would allow it. Omnipotence is impossible as its a human conception of something that is mutually exclusive how about this one then since you can't understand the red blue analogy(or are trying your damndest to get around it) 1 is not 2 no matter how many times you examine 1 it will never be 2 (unless you ADD another 1 and then its not 1 anymore......)

P.s. (im not claiming your close minded, your the one claiming any of us that dont ascribe to your learning are close minded and that your truth is the absolute, sorry man trying to turn it round and pin "your right im wrong" on me as well , is specious).

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

when a philosopher understands the core of truth, they become mroe than just a philosopher, and see how philosophy IS truth, that it is the basis of creation itself.

[weirdo79]

You did it again....changing the rules to suit your arguement man....sorry it was entertaining for a while but your constant double standard is weak and not one of your points has had any support. Then you accuse anyone of not knowing what you do as being ignorant of the truth....come on get over your own ego.....I think im starting to agree with the individual who described you as a pseudo intellectual your redefining anything that doesnt fit your point (but only at that time) then turning it around the minute it doesnt suit your point. May I suggest joining the debate team.....You might learn something. It's called consistency

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

you present me with nothing to defend myself against :S what double standard?


in order for me to be consistant, you'll have to cram the universe into a box.


then we may debate freely.



you will see how no two things are not consistant as well. i cannot prove it in debate, only you can prove it in silence and lonliness-emptyness.

[weirdo79]

Dude now your trying nonsensical diatribe to support a philosophical position.....the universe doesnt need to be crammed anywhere all the terms your changing are already well defined.....you can only prove it in silence and loneliness and emptiness that doesnt even make sense.....Pick up just one book on Philosphy or debate please....Just one....

[Sir Les]

You don't understand my point: religion itself, independent of the people who practice it, is subversive.

The crusades were religious, the witch hunt was religious, Islamic terrorrism is religious, Jewish-Palestinian conflict is religious..

Wait a minute, did you say Hitler was not religiously motivated???? Are you from another planet? The core of Christian anti-semitism is that Christians believe Jews killed Jesus... If that's not religious, I don't know what is.

All the European monarchs? Ok, now I'm convinced you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The very concept of monarchy is intimately tied with religion. The Queen of England is still the head of the Church of England, in case you didn't know. All monarchs in Europe, some still to this day, represent God's will on Earth. That is at the core of European monarchy. Look it up.

You end by talking about hunters and gatherers fighting.... Sure they fought, and it probably wasn't in the name of religion. Now we have religion, and we're still fighting, just as hard, and probably even more cruelly. Is that progress to you? Even more senseless fighting on a huge scale, and that's how you defend religion?

YOU REPRESENT WHAT'S WRONG WITH RELIGION. You don't even think, you make no sense whatsoever, you don't use your supposedly God-given gift of REASON.

"Not their love of men but the impotence of their love of men keeps the Christians of today from--burning us."

"It was subtle of God to learn Greek when he wished to become an author--and not learn it better."

"The devil has the broadest perspectives for God; therefore he keeps so far away from God--the devil being the most ancient friend of wisdom."

"Jesus said to his Jews: 'The law was for servants--love God as I love him, as his son! What are morals to us sons of God!'"

"Christianity gave Eros poison to drink: he did not die of it but degenrated--into a vice."

Sons of God know better!
God gave humans a set of codes to follow!
10 commandments, and instructions from Genesis to "tend and keep the garden!"

"Thow shall Not Murder/kill"
So any religion based on the old/new testements, has to reflect this law!
And they don't...so the religion is in error, or falsely referenced, and implimented!
The wars you lable as "religious" are infact errors!
Bad judgments, misconscrewed directions against the principle rules of the religion they claim they have adopted!