Quote Originally Posted by Oneironaut
If the supernatural world really does interact with our physical universe on a daily basis, as every person who believes in it will attest, why is it so notoriously difficult to find the slightest shred of evidence? Six billion people having so many spiritual connections would surely be able to come up with a fair number of instances in which the known laws of physics do not seem to apply. But the only evidence I see is parlor tricks like bending spoons and cold reading that any stage magician could easily do. Please, enlighten me with the body of evidence which convinced you that this is beyond a doubt the way the universe works. If you can't bring up any real evidence, how can I believe your extraordinary claims?
it's very simple. the 'supernatural' can not and will not be proven by conventional scientific means because, as you stated, it would cease to be supernatural. all things supernatural or tied in with religion require faith. that is, in order to have a spirituality, you have to have faith in a higher plane of reality, existence of a soul, or whatever your particular belief structure holds true to.
if these things could be proven scientifically, they would cease to be supernatural and become scientific fact, which would remove the single most important element of spirituality: faith.

for every jackass pulling spoon bending parlor tricks there is a legit documented 'phenomenon' that science can not explain. you keep yelling for proof of the supernatural, but anyone with faith knows that can not and will not happen, but could just as easily call for you to disprove it, which is equally impossible. just because there is no scientific evidence does not mean that it doesn't exist, and conversely there is also no scientific evidence to directly prove that it doesn't.

furthermore, with mind/body medicine and biofeedback technology being recently investigated / developed, science has proven that there is a bioelectric energy field that is a part of us all, it has been scientifically identified and measured, yet it is still not understood and nobody can explain how it works or even what it is. for example, western science has absolutely no working knowledge of how/why acupuncture works, only that it does indeed work. the most widely accepted theory is that our nervous system, workin on electrical impulses, is merely a vehicle or connection for the body with its bioelectric energy, and that acupuncture works by regulating the body using that energy field via the nervous system. this is, still theory, but the most accepted theory until proven otherwise. the classical texts of this 7,000 year old healing art claim that it works by regulating the body through a universal life force, or Qi (chi), which is not at al lfar off from the scientific explanation. yet we still have no understanding of how/why it works after 7,000 years of proof that it does indeed work, including recent studies by western medicine.

stop asking for proof of others' faith, unless you can directly disprove it.