Whooooooooooo hooooooo, i got jvm on my hardrive... I can send you it on msn....where are you though? Hmmmmmm? lol Yup, well done that person who advised avg and zone alarm...though I find avg to be ok, it doesnt touch norton. Norton is the ONLY software I have ever bought and find it great, a tad quirky....but basically great. I do get pissed at having to manually delete virus threats though, one small downside of norton is that sometimes, it may find them but you gotta do the rest. This is fine if you know what youre doing but I can imagine it will be pretty shitty for someone who does not know. Anyway, I'm now rambling away to myself.....byeeeeeeeeee. *crawls back under the mop.