Proof: the retarded man's pipe dream.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

shut up, jake.

oneironaut surely has something to prove me wrong, let's wait for it before we get all conclusive now

[mightymarijuanabuds]

Because the universe as we know it, might be totally wrong and different.

right, key words as we know. we all experience the same world subjectively.. so what one group holds to be true may not be for another group, and so on...

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

I know, but I'm just pointing out that just because Oneironaut can back his things up with scientific proof, he's no safer in his beliefs than anyone else.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

hehe yeah... why hasnt he replied? i thought this thread was goin' places... lol

[RastaKaze]

My question is why the hell does any of it matter? We are in the phsyical world right now... when we die, when we return to the place from which we came. There is nothing we can do now except train our minds and ourselves for what awaits us on the other side. Also, I understand the point of conversations like these, heck I was a big fan of them until not to long ago. But what do we expect to do? Unlock the secret of the universe through some talk? First of all, even if it were possible, one day to find out how exactly things went down, what would happen upon that discovery? Think of the controversy, the rioting that would take place among people of different beleifs... Man as we know it could perish. So I say, meditate, explore your concioiusness, and most importantly have fun. You'll find out the secret when you die, or so that's what I'd like to beleive.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

who's looking for secrets? im just trying to level the playing field a little lol