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[Rarrr]

Good and evil all depends on moral boundaries. If something is considered immoral by the general population then it tends to be evil. I think the more people that consider something as being immoral the more "evil" it tends to be branded (eg killing someone). Whereas something that is believed to be very moral (eg donating to the poor) by a large number of people tends to be considered "good". All depends on someones moral boundaries.

If someone were to murder another without their morals interluding(By that I mean someone murdering someone else without the little voice in the back of their head saying "No thats wrong") then that person would consider what they did as being morally right whereas others would condemn such activities. Someone who is considered to have the wrong morals tends to be defying the general populations view on morals.
So in my opinion there is no such thing as right or wrong only what an individual percieves.

[EternalEnemy]

People who commit good deeds are being selfish? Nah, I don't fucking believe that.

We are speaking fundamentally. Everything you possibly do is selfish in some sense. When you give your friend ice cream, its selfish because what you really do is feed the friendship that is within YOU. Doing something important for someone else is important for YOU, and that is why it is selfish. Doesent matter if you do something or dont do something or anything, its only following some pattern within your mind.

Ok see thisd is why I hate saying the words Good and Evil on this forum. Someon ALWAYS says its a point of view. Yes I know thats true thats why I say a baby is born good. I see the baby as pure and unable to commit evil. So to my ideas I am right.

Why are babies different then?

Good and evil all depends on moral boundaries.

In other words, they are not real things. Re-read my post:

Good or evil are just lame excuses for fake-sympathy and lack of sympathy etc...

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If something is good for you, it has a positive effect for you, meaning it makes you be-well or feel good or what ever. When something is bad for you, it has a negative effect(makes you feel bad).
But, when a person is bad, we see the person as a persona, not just a thing. So basically if i think that im helping you by giving you poison, and accidentally kill you, im not evil. I did not do the murder-deed in my head, it just happened. This is why we judge by motives, this is why animals are not blamed for murders, this is why kids have lesser responsibilities.
So, when we say something is evil or bad or negative, its when it has a negative impact, and when i want to have a negative impact on you, im evil.
So, we know that. "good" is contributing to others, and placing others before yourself. You may actually do that, but always the deepest motive lies in pleasing yourself, and you can never place someone else before the motive you have in your mind. This is the problem. Christians believe that people are naturally good, and then turn to evil. False, there are no good people by this definition, and by christian definition(they do not admit it), all people, animals or whatever concious beings are evil.

When i say im a relatively good-natured human being, i dont really mean it. I try to express that i have morals, but fundamentally, that does not make me a good person.

Oh and...nothing makes sence in this world...if you really think about it.

No, everything makes sense. The only thing that should make you wonder is how the hell could everything have always been, or if everything just started being, what was before that if that was before everything? Then how did existance just start? I believe that existance is eternal, and eternity is just an impossible concept for human mind, and that humans dont understand the sense of the universe. A human cannot fully comprehend that something doesent have a beginning.

[sugarmagnolia]

^ ahha.... methinks thou hath forgotten about selfless actions! If I give a friend my meal for he has none then isn't that an act of selflessness. I am giving away what I want to help him. Now you might say that this is selfish for I am acting upon my morales. But I do suggest that you fully understand what the word selfish means before you go about tagging it to people who act upon their morales.

[sugarmagnolia]

^ ahha.... methinks thou hath forgotten about selfless actions! If I give a friend my meal, for he has none, then isn't that an act of selflessness. I am giving away what I want to help him. Now you might say that this is selfish for I am acting upon my morales. But I do suggest that you fully understand what the word selfish means before you go about tagging it to people who act upon their morales.

arghh I read more of your post. Well I don't see how you can assume that everyone is only doing good to please themselves. Yes seeing happiness that you cause can make you happy, but that is merely a byproduct. Now in the case that I give my lunch away you would say I am being selfish so I can think higher of myself, would you not? But if you look at it your way it is still not an act of selfishness, it is a trade. You are not gaining anything, because to earn the feeling of happiness you are giving away a meal, and paining yourself with hunger.

Oh and by the way Christianity preaches charity without selfishness. You are not supposed to show off the good you do. Yes it makes you happy, but isn't one goal of life to achieve happiness. The trouble with your reasoning is that you are putting actual evil deeds in the same boat as good deeds.


(Sorry the silly settings wouldn't allow me to edit my post cause it took too long)

[Rarrr]

In other words, they are not real things. Re-read my post:

Good and evil arnt real things. Theyre interpretations based on human judgement. "Good" and "evil" are concepts created by man to understand the difference between acts of pure selflessness (which isnt possible but Im saying if there was pure good than it would come in the form of pure selflessness) and pure selfishness (which is also impossible as there is always some good intention behind everything). The closer something is to pure selflessness, the more it appears to be "good" and vice versa(keeping in mind that everyone has a different perspective to whats good and whats evil).

This judgement is a humans survival technique. Being with someone of "good" nature may not improve your survival (succcessful survival) chances but it would be a lot worse for someones survival if they were to hang around someone of an evil nature.

[BluntArtist]

Academy porno award, rather. If there is a such thing.

You mean a Woody Award? :dance:

[justinsane]

so that would make.. jesus. black?

[MoonStarer420]

I believe that existance is eternal, and eternity is just an impossible concept for human mind, and that humans dont understand the sense of the universe. A human cannot fully comprehend that something doesent have a beginning.

I think you may have somthing here. Theres also a problem in assuming that your five senses are able to detect everything around you. We are only able to precive reality in 3D, up/down, left/right, and front/back. Think of what life would be like if we had to deal with spacetime on a personal day-to-day basis.

[EternalEnemy]

Will reply more later.


Actually, the world here is 3D, and we perceive it as such. BUT, we do not see 3D images with our eyes, its our brains that deceive us into thinking its 3D. And the thing is, the way the 2D pic is formed, comes from a 3D world. So therefore thinking wrongly about what we see brings is right to the truth.

[hunnybunnybabyO]

The bad news: there is no key to the universe. The good news: it was never locked.
-Swami Beyondananda


and another quote " As I've learned less and less, I find more and more to love in the world" something like that. Truth is we really don't know shit....you only see what you chose to see.
Just whatever life is I say make the most of it....we obviously aren't even dots in this massive universe- our world isn't all that special- but thats my opinion.
Keepin an open mind- while Buddhist and Taoist beliefs are quite interesting!..check it out.