fogger system

[hondo]

was thinking of building a nutriant fogger system , to fill the rooting chamber with micro sized nutriant rich fog.NE1 have any info,ideas ,or problems with a system like this?Info is needed for the design process.

hondo Reviewed by hondo on 11-23-2005. fogger system was thinking of building a nutriant fogger system , to fill the rooting chamber with micro sized nutriant rich fog.NE1 have any info,ideas ,or problems with a system like this?Info is needed for the design process. Rating: 5

[turtle420]

eBay sells foggers...

I guess that the setup would be similar to a DWC or something...

Maybe a big Rubbermaid / Sterilite tub... air stones in there... and your fogger(s). Also, I guess a fan would be good to move around the nuted-up fog.

But... the fog would get everywhere... so the fan would have to be very good... very good, not as in 1,000,000 CFMs... but, sealed, 'explosion proof', and, well, I guess you can expect lots of rusting.

But sounds good! Please keep us update... this is very interesting.

[HydroDynamics]

I actually tried this for a project that I scrapped since I didn't have any net pots. But, a fogger does produce a dense fog in most of the chamber. Seems that when I added a bubbler to it the fog spread throught the 10 gallon tupperware bucket. Obviously the smaller the better, but 2 foggers will do great with a bubbling wand.

The only problem with them is HEAT!... they do produce heat in the water. The bubbler did help with some of it, but I think that by adding a circulating pump with a coil of tubing outside the bucket would disapate most if not all the heat as long as it was cooled down a bit.

This adds so much complexity to the whole thing that it wasn't worth it for me to waste seeds on... ended up wasting them on a f*cked up first grow of tomatoes instead. But was curious on the theory when I thought about it, enought to experiment. Used the 10 Gallon bucket for my Ebb/Flood system instead, which is working great. Just have to watch the water level.

If someone was going to go the route of foggers, cooling down the nute water would be the number 1 priority, also, since you need to run them close to the top of the water level, you would need to make sure you had an automatic water filler with a reserve tank to keep the level up there so they work right. Otherwise if they sit 4-6" below the water surface... no fog. The bonus here is that the water bucket can be very low to the ground and you can use one of those under-the-bed plastic storage bins for they main system, and a 10 gallon or more for the reserve, if you decided not to prop it up. Also the added surface size of the low bin may allow some of the heat to disapate into a concrete floor... anyways

Very good idea to see someone else thinking about it... just some facts about the problems doing it, and some possible solutions. Good luck if you continue with the idea.

[Zandor]

These are the foggers that are used to grow plants, No heat is produced.

http://www.altgarden.com/site/irriga.../ultrafog.html

http://www.nutramist.com/nutramistfogger.html

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[turtle420]

These are the foggers that are used to grow plants, No heat is produced.:dance:

Zandor Zandor Zandor...

You just messed with my mind... Arghhh....

Ok, so I read the links....

What do you guys think would be best?
I'm thinking, a Rubbermaid/Sterilite tub... how deep the tub? That's my biggest doubt... how deep the tub?

So now I'm thinking: HydroNFT vs Fogger experiment (and -$400 in my bank).

You people.... Why did I ever start coming here?

Please reply/provide comments, I'm really interested in this... Oh gosh... more freaking money!!! I trully hope that my plants yield 400 pounds per kola... because this is just getting out of hand... I couldn't buy a plasma yesterday because all the money I've spent in this... It was 42", for $999 in Walmart!!! Oh well... maybe next year's Turkey sale...

Looking forward to all your inputs,

-turtle420

[turtle420]

Ok, so I've read more... and here's some stuff I've thought about:

-->100% Aeroponic system
-->Hybrid Aeroponic/Hydroponic system

In the hybrid version, you have your typical NFT setup, and, you insert/pump the aeroponic fog into the PVC pipe... So, the fog flows between the NF (Nutrient Film) in the pipes, and the top of the pipe...

Supposedly, you use less nutrient solution when you use aeroponics. In addition, some farmers have said that they've had best results using their nutrients' mix to half the standard measurements.

What do you think about both of these statements?

One thing that I did like, was that there's a picture close-up of a root... and it has tiny micro-roots growing out of it. Increased surface area... nice.

But, I don't know about the hybrid system... wouldn't the use of the NFT technique cancel/negate the less-nute/less-water benefits of 100% aeroponics?

What do you think? 100% aeroponic? or Hybrid NFT/Aeroponic?

Please, don't tell me to do a side-by-side comparison... I'm going full into one, or the other... if I'm going at all.

Here's the fogger I like: NUTRAMIST FOGGER 5 High capacity 5 Head Fogging system
http://www.futuregarden.com/cgi-bin/shop/50-3311.html

Page with picture of micro-hairs on roots:
http://futuregarden.com/hydroponics/...nutramist.html

Build A Hybrid Aeroponic/Hydroponic System
http://howtohydroponics.com/aero_hydroponic_system.html

Aeroponic Fogger System - Plant Metabolism on Overdrive!
http://howtohydroponics.com/fogger.html

I super-mega-duper eagerly await all your comments and :twocents:,

-turtle420

[turtle420]

from::: http://www.futuregarden.com/cgi-bin/shop/50-3310.html

"""Ultrasonic foggers will also sterilize your nutrient solution so adding live bacterial cultures will serve no purpose since the NUTRAMIST fogger is already sterilizing your solution for you."""

Great! Now what the hell do I do with the Floralicious Plus that I bought???

Maybe there's a reason for the aeroponic/hydroponic hybrid system afterall...

[turtle420]

Now I'm thinking:::

Ok, let's say we have that fogger system setup... fine. In a big Rubbermaid tub...

Ok... Now, what do you think about this:::
What happens to the extra un-consumed fog? I mean, the fogger (NutraMist) is pumping fog into the tub... and the roots are taking it all in... and the fan(s) inside the tub are giving circulation to the fog through the roots...

Ok, what about the extra fog? What should be done with this setup? Place a timer on the fogger? Say, 30minutes ON, 1 hours OFF, .... , ... ???

I guess that the extra fog would 'puddle' up on the bottom of the tub... then I could throw it out after some time?

Ideas?

C'mon people! I'm just so eager to get input form you guys... I think I might change my NFT setup for this fogger system... Aeroponics. Or maybe the hybrid NFT/Aeroponic setup?

Thanks,

-turtle420

[big blue]

If you check the federal trademark and patent web site you can find alot of infor about foggers. The info I have read (mostly from Israli research) indicates that foggers are not very effective and that the smaller droplet size does not appear to be of benifit.

I have use aeroponics for many years and have gone to higher volume lower pressure misters with no adverse effects.

[HydroDynamics]

Scrap the fogger idea, and go either with straight Aeroponic or Hydroponic. The whole idea of complicating the situation with foggers is getting foggy!!! I don't think your yield will be any higher with the foggers, you will have to deal with another think that can break.

Just KISS. Keep it super simple. Less chance of problems, and things just 'happening' . So many differant Aeroponic and Hydro systems that you can easily pick one. Gutter method works well, 6" PVC too, misters can be bought at gbhydro and other sites... I went straight hydro ebb/flood with rons 11 plant system. Seems to be working quiet well for me. 30 bucks and done. figure 1/2 are wasted on males, and then 5-7 females to take care of.

Good luck on what ever you choose.