Oh the Mistakes I've made....

[turtle420]

I just wanted to state something. Most people say female plants are better than males plants but God you guys kill them (rofl, sexists). Joking, my point is around here people still sell male weed and we still get high, I smoked both sexes (if you wanna call it that), I can tell a difference but it doesnt matter the sex to me. Male or Female, I think if its your first time growing, growing either sex would just be good for practice.

You're joking, right?

[orangeman]

No, I'm not joking :P. We dont believe in wastin' weed over here so either is sold.

[HydroDynamics]

Well after having my first grow finish up, which by the way got me about 1-1.5 oz per plant. Extremely potent (the kind that goes for $100/quarter oz around here) I know on the small side, but none the less, was happy with the results, I think we need to do some more work on the FAQ's though.

In looking at the FAQ's what some (including myself) are missing is not only some very crucial information about the details, but the waste of time, space, hermies (that always seem to show up in one plant, just a few flowers, but enought to screw up a great grow), cloning to full grow cycling, as well as proper construction techniques for cloners, plumbing, etc... I could go on forever. The piece meal of information is fine for fumbling your way through for a while till you get the hang of it, posting a few pics for answers, or just the regular banter that we all do since we are proud of our plants/rooms/results, or just to say Hi!. But, what I'm seeing as I go along is that there is way too much to figure out as time goes by where I could be growing even better plants, utilizing my space better, choosing the best lighting, and making sure that the cycle from seed/clone to picking is kept going.

Now I know that all of us have differant rooms, closets, or even gardens that we use. But the common thread here is that we all are aiming to achive the best results with what we have. I for one keep making mistakes! Not the same ones obviously that I did the first time, otherwise I'd be a f*cking idiot. The mistakes now are not in keeping the plants healthy, but looking back at how I started, I wish I went with a differant type of system overall. Why, well it sure would have made it easier to get a higher yield, a lot easier to stop growing from seed and clone properly (that is something that I still have to figure out after I finish this grow of where to put my cloner how to start a good crop and pick the best females to clone and how to do it right).

So, with that I'm going to be working on a good FAQ that addresses many of what I'm seeing as missing links and 'workflow' (being a Systems Analyst and a programmer) to keep the small sized grow room working well. Obviously this is not aimed at the guys here that have already figured out what they are doing right and wrong, but more for the newcomer who wants to get 10-20 plants cycling from clone (after picking some good females) to crop.

Obviously I'm going to make some assumptions and base it on my experience as well as the ones I've read. Sure I will also take into consideration the cabinet grower, but this is aimed at the Hydro only grower who has about a 8x8 room available for growing.

I may ask for help from much more experienced growers as not to confuse the beginer. I hope you all don't mind. But what I'm aiming for is a guide from chosing ferts, making your own (real life building) ebb/flood and DWC systems, cloners, cheap sources of lighting (even building your own ballasts), ventilation, and proper care.

I hope that over the next few months my efforts will pay off for others as my first mistakes have. I don't like wasting time, having plants that don't produce at the best possible (or even near optimal) conditions, and I want to make sure that space is utilized well. Many of us only have small areas to use, some large, but those that do... well your very fortunate. There are also some people who are just heads and aren't thinking at all. This ain't work for you that I'm doing. It's more for the people who need it (medicinal reasons).

The last thing anyone wants is to have problems not only with growing, but those with neighbors, kids, and just plain curious people. Remember that anyone who grows and has children runs the risk of not only having them discover your 'project' but your local agency taking your children from you for (in my case growing for medicinal reasons) obvious reasons. That is one of my fears if not my only one.

I don't grow for selling (I will give out a 1/4 to a friend) but both my wife and I live with constant pain (and fear) in a state that is not friendly towards people who have a few plants to ease pain from chronic and life theatening health issues.

Thanks for your time if you read this, and I hope that my quide (or just a giant FAQ) will help others.

-Warning... RANT-

Support your local chapters, write your congress person for those that do use for medical reasons and tell them how important it is for people to have access to a very important medicine that helps people. This here is more of a rant than part of what I'm trying to accomplish for others but it is important to change the world and the views that our government has. WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT, the people who write laws only are there to uphold the Constitution, not re-write it, or figure out a way to make it work for them.

Remember that you can't overdose from your activities (it's not possible!). The people out to bust you will never be your friends, they aren't your enemies, but stick a badge on someone and give them a gun, and they think they are above you, the laws, and are the keepers of the rest of us, as though we are some kind of animals living in a pen. Just look what is going on now with wiretaps, reading our mail, and the 'Patriot Act'. All just more reasons to take away our liberties.

Be smart about your activities and God Bless.

[turtle420]

No, I'm not joking :P. We dont believe in wastin' weed over here so either is sold.

Um, dude, I mean this in the best way, but I think you need to get a little instructed.

I don't think you can smoke males. I mean, sure, you can smoke them... but if you see a bud, dude, the female produces the bud. A male will produce small pollen sacks (balls).

Unless you actually smoke the pollen sacks... ?

Again, I don't want to sound like a dick, but I don't think you smoke both females and males... I think you smoke females... but you call them males.

Best,

-turtle420

[Trichome Creator]

Nice book HydroDynamics.

[orangeman]

Um, dude, I mean this in the best way, but I think you need to get a little instructed.

I don't think you can smoke males. I mean, sure, you can smoke them... but if you see a bud, dude, the female produces the bud. A male will produce small pollen sacks (balls).

Unless you actually smoke the pollen sacks... ?

Again, I don't want to sound like a dick, but I don't think you smoke both females and males... I think you smoke females... but you call them males.

Best,

-turtle420

Lol oh yeah, sorry about that. I am interested in growin' weed and I was just reading a few things on it and your right. I'm just now realizing those seeds in the weed I buy doesnt mean a male produced the bud (rofl). Sorry for not reading up on this b4 I posted :P.

[dreadydrug]

Well after having my first grow finish up, which by the way got me about 1-1.5 oz per plant. Extremely potent (the kind that goes for $100/quarter oz around here) I know on the small side, but none the less, was happy with the results, I think we need to do some more work on the FAQ's though.

In looking at the FAQ's what some (including myself) are missing is not only some very crucial information about the details, but the waste of time, space, hermies (that always seem to show up in one plant, just a few flowers, but enought to screw up a great grow), cloning to full grow cycling, as well as proper construction techniques for cloners, plumbing, etc... I could go on forever. The piece meal of information is fine for fumbling your way through for a while till you get the hang of it, posting a few pics for answers, or just the regular banter that we all do since we are proud of our plants/rooms/results, or just to say Hi!. But, what I'm seeing as I go along is that there is way too much to figure out as time goes by where I could be growing even better plants, utilizing my space better, choosing the best lighting, and making sure that the cycle from seed/clone to picking is kept going.

Now I know that all of us have differant rooms, closets, or even gardens that we use. But the common thread here is that we all are aiming to achive the best results with what we have. I for one keep making mistakes! Not the same ones obviously that I did the first time, otherwise I'd be a f*cking idiot. The mistakes now are not in keeping the plants healthy, but looking back at how I started, I wish I went with a differant type of system overall. Why, well it sure would have made it easier to get a higher yield, a lot easier to stop growing from seed and clone properly (that is something that I still have to figure out after I finish this grow of where to put my cloner how to start a good crop and pick the best females to clone and how to do it right).

So, with that I'm going to be working on a good FAQ that addresses many of what I'm seeing as missing links and 'workflow' (being a Systems Analyst and a programmer) to keep the small sized grow room working well. Obviously this is not aimed at the guys here that have already figured out what they are doing right and wrong, but more for the newcomer who wants to get 10-20 plants cycling from clone (after picking some good females) to crop.

Obviously I'm going to make some assumptions and base it on my experience as well as the ones I've read. Sure I will also take into consideration the cabinet grower, but this is aimed at the Hydro only grower who has about a 8x8 room available for growing.

I may ask for help from much more experienced growers as not to confuse the beginer. I hope you all don't mind. But what I'm aiming for is a guide from chosing ferts, making your own (real life building) ebb/flood and DWC systems, cloners, cheap sources of lighting (even building your own ballasts), ventilation, and proper care.

I hope that over the next few months my efforts will pay off for others as my first mistakes have. I don't like wasting time, having plants that don't produce at the best possible (or even near optimal) conditions, and I want to make sure that space is utilized well. Many of us only have small areas to use, some large, but those that do... well your very fortunate. There are also some people who are just heads and aren't thinking at all. This ain't work for you that I'm doing. It's more for the people who need it (medicinal reasons).

The last thing anyone wants is to have problems not only with growing, but those with neighbors, kids, and just plain curious people. Remember that anyone who grows and has children runs the risk of not only having them discover your 'project' but your local agency taking your children from you for (in my case growing for medicinal reasons) obvious reasons. That is one of my fears if not my only one.

I don't grow for selling (I will give out a 1/4 to a friend) but both my wife and I live with constant pain (and fear) in a state that is not friendly towards people who have a few plants to ease pain from chronic and life theatening health issues.

Thanks for your time if you read this, and I hope that my quide (or just a giant FAQ) will help others.

-Warning... RANT-

Support your local chapters, write your congress person for those that do use for medical reasons and tell them how important it is for people to have access to a very important medicine that helps people. This here is more of a rant than part of what I'm trying to accomplish for others but it is important to change the world and the views that our government has. WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT, the people who write laws only are there to uphold the Constitution, not re-write it, or figure out a way to make it work for them.

Remember that you can't overdose from your activities (it's not possible!). The people out to bust you will never be your friends, they aren't your enemies, but stick a badge on someone and give them a gun, and they think they are above you, the laws, and are the keepers of the rest of us, as though we are some kind of animals living in a pen. Just look what is going on now with wiretaps, reading our mail, and the 'Patriot Act'. All just more reasons to take away our liberties.

Be smart about your activities and God Bless.

seriously, you've got to be fucking joking, how long did you spend writing that?

[orangeman]

I think this should be added as a "dont". I found it out a web-site

The information age is upon us and and increasing amount of data is being kept about all of us whether we realize it or not. With the war on drugs in full effect, the D.E.A. is using this information at every possible opportunity.

When you make a purchase with a credit card, every last bit of information regarding that purchase is filed away into a database, both at the store and with your credit card company. Not only the price, but the exact date, location, and items purchased are recorded and stored away. Many stores and credit card companies routinely sell their databases of customers and transactions to anybody who can afford it. The D.E.A can certainly afford it. After all, they're using your tax dollars.

The D.E.A. as well as other government agencies DO purchase these databases for their own uses. They feed them into their computers and the computers spit out a list of anybody with "suspicious" purchases. Any purchases that could be associated with drug production, use, or selling could be flagged for further investigation. These "suspicious" purchases include unusual chemicals, medical supplies such as syringes, lights and timers, and even potting soil and fertilizer.

The point is, if you are planning on purchasing supplies to grow marijuana don't take any chances. While the average home grower, who is simply growing enough for his own use, would probably never be flagged by the computers, you never know. If you are purchasing equipment or supplies, PAY CASH! In addition, many supermarkets and discount stores now have some sort of "Preferred Customer" cards. When you buy something, regardless of how you pay, you give them your card to scan and all of your purchases are recorded. They then send you some sort of coupon depending on what and how much you purchased each month. It sounds like a good deal, but you wind up having all of your purchases recorded and sold just like with the credit cards. DON'T use one of these cards when you are purchasing anything that might be deemed suspicious. For that matter, don't use them at all. They just result in a ton of junk mail and a lot of people knowing exactly what you buy and when you buy it.

I think it's a good "dont" and good advice.

[angryhippie]

[QUOTE=luckydan]Good post hydro,i would have to stress to ,,do not rush your plants into flower you always seem to end up with more males,Dont tell anyone is a real good idea and secondly just for your info the very fist funny looking leaves that the seed produces are called the cotoleedons(not shore on spelling )these little funny looking leaves have all the nutes the seedling needs for the first month at least.......Happy growing.....[/QUOTE

Sometimes you have to rush into flowering. I have a small grow box and he sez to flower after 5-7 inches....

[sheist]

But the common thread here is that we all are aiming to achive the best results with what we have.

Which is why i believe that a second list should be assembled.. a list of lights and/or other extra supplies, so ppl kno what to look for in the stores.. some kid could read the whole "u need higher wattage" and buy the wrong bulb wit mad watts, and send a virgin to her firey demise on some aztec shit.. this way, we'll see somethin in the store that we saw in the sticky, we'll know for sure if its good to use..