black role models

[Fengzi]

Well Fengzi I just came out of the south and racism beleive it or not is alive and well. Take for instance Harrison Arkansas the head quarters for the KKK yes they still exist. Not only do they exist they had the nerve to adopt part of the highway near Fayetteville.....guess where we threw all our garbage?

Harrison still has a sign hanging in their town square that says All Niggers must check in...their are no black people in that town....
we lived in Rogers Arkansas...my son worked for Braums and had a boss that would back away from the counter if blacks came in and would have someone else serve them. My son reported him to headquarters and instead of firing the man they just moved him. So go spend some time in the south and you'll see what I mean.
When I was there I heard a man yell at his kid to get out of the water because he was not to swim with beaners....(mexicans) if you want to see total ignorance just visit a few southern towns.....

You are an educated person of course you would hire on merit..as it should be
just keep in mind as sad as it is you are an exception.

I have met many men that would not hire a person simply because they were of color.
Racism is why I moved my kids from Arkansas. Their school even refused to recognize Martin Luther King's holiday.

So it's still like that in the South? I actually lived in North Carolina and Florida when I was young and do remember what it was like. I remember when I first moved to California from Florida. I was 15yo and still in high school. I was amazed that the prom queen, a white girl, had a black date for the prom. It didn't bother me, I was raised to believe that what is inside is what counts. It just amazed me though. In Florida it never would have happened, at least not in '85. The guy never would have made it to her door in one piece. Sad. I hoped it had changed in the past 20 years.

So, I admit I may be ignorant about what the rest of the country is like. But it really isn't that way out here. My neighborhood is like the United Nations. There's White Americans, Blacks, Persians, Koreans, Chinese, Hispanics, Russians, Christains, Muslims, Jews, and who knows what else. And this is a good neighborhood where house prices start at $700k. The average corporate boardroom out here is the same.

With such a mix of people , getting ahead really does depend on the person's skills and knowledge. Despite this, even out here it is the predominately Black cities such as Oakland that have the highest crime rates and large numbers of people living in poverty. We still hear the same stories about Blacks being held back, but by what? And what about the whole ebonics thing? I don't know if you remember, or even heard about it, but a few years back some folks in Oakland wanted to recognize ebonics as an official language(or dialect). This was so that teachers wouldn't correct the little black children when they were teaching English. The people pushing for this were the same ones who complain about blacks being held back. So what's the message? I mean, if its wrong to teach Black kids the skills they need to get out of the ghetto how can they complain that they're being held back.

Look, I know what my ancesters did and I'm not proud of it. But, much much the same when talking about Isreal, it has become taboo to say anything negative about the black community and this has to stop if their situation is going to improve. They have to not only accept their positives as positives but their negatives as negative. If we are to open the door for them they have to step through it on their own. And that means they need to stop glorifying the ghetto and gangbanger culture and start looking to successful blacks as role models. Not convicted felons.

Fengzi Reviewed by Fengzi on 11-22-2005. black role models I have found what is wrong with the black community, apparantly they look at Convicted Murderers as Role models and great inspirators. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,176130,00.html Several Prominent black actors/rappers have come out asking California to give this guy a pardon from execution, because he has "changed". Forget that he murdered 4 people, forget that he created one of the most violent street gangs this country has ever seen that is responsible for thousands upon Rating: 5

[Fengzi]

In fact, to actually move back to the point, we'd have to talk about a man who has committed (and admitted to) horrible crimes, and has since done everything he can to influence the youth to make better choices than he did.

Surely you agree people can change? Isn't forgiveness what christianity and republican values are reportably based on?

So, the correct message to send to kids is that its ok to be a gangbanger and kill people as long as you feel bad about it after you've been caught and the shit has hit the fan. Are you a Catholic by any chance???

[Psycho4Bud]

So, the correct message to send to kids is that its ok to be a gangbanger and kill people as long as you feel bad about it after you've been caught and the shit has hit the fan. Are you a Catholic by any chance???

Of course it's o.k. It's the governments fault for not providing for grown people so they can sit on their fat asses and deal with nothing but their kids. Don't you dare say different either or you'll be banned!!!

[BlueCat00]

Well without really having to debate much you have already proven my point...I understand and agreed with some of what you were saying up until the name calling part.
You are calling my son blatantly racist names without knowing anything about him except that he wears baggy pants and drunken monkey sweats....you are dead wrong. At 16 he took an interest in Capoeira, Brazilian and Latin culture. He had a strong interest in the Zapatistas and his art reflects this. He is a successful artist living in Central America. He has paintings in NY and several museums in Mexico city. There are a lot of street kids with interests in Capoeira as well so the people he hangs with dress this way. You are pre-judging all kids based on the way they dress and you are dead wrong in doing so.

The clothes don't make the man...the values that have been taught at home do. That is like saying all kids that play violent video games are going to be violent killers...I give kids a little more credit than that.

I think it is rather imature of you to call names.... wigger
it would be much more construtive if you would spend more time learning why this type pf social deterioration is happening in our country. Why do these kids feel the need to join these gangs, What has happened to the social fabric to cause this?
It is obvious that these young people are hurting... many of them have no families so they form their own.
When young people encounter both personal and institutional racism the risks are increased they will become violent. When groups of people are denied access to power, privileges, and resources, they will often form their own anti-establishment group


A sense of hopelessness can result from being unable to provide for your family. Young people living in poverty may find it difficult to meet basic physical and psychological needs which can lead to a lack of self-worth.
They come from homes where they feel alienated or neglected. Risks increase when the community fails to provide sufficient youth programs or alternatives to violence.

It always amazes me how so many people make claims of being Christian then they show such a total lack of understanding and compassion. Just enough religion in you to know how to hate but never enough to really love.



Instead of blaming an entire race of people and making racist comments maybe you should place your anger where it is due. Educational loans have been cut, foodstamp programs have been cut, medicaid cut, after school programs cut, Conflict resolution programs gone, education and training programs gone, headstart cut, these are all directly related to a youth's positive development.



The infrastructure of this country is crumbling.. Corporate salaries 10 or 15 years ago averaged 20 times the blue collar workers.Now they are 400 times it and the blue collar workers pay has gone down or his jobs has disappeared all together. Blue collar workers have less benefits now. Many have lost their retirement benefits....while corporate fat cats pay themselves millions then want tax payer money to bail them out of bankruptcy. We can't take care of our own youth yet we are building nations in the middle east. Well what about our country? One only has to look at the response to Katrina to see how unprepared we are. They are still pulling dead bodies out of New Orleans for God sake. That would not be happening if it were Beverly hills! And Fema is stopping payments yet we can afford to build nations? Our nation should be first.

There have always been gangs that is nothing new...and there will always be gangs as long as there is this huge gap between the rich and the poor and a society that would rather whine and bitch and call names instead of facing the real problem the inept leadership, and corrupt corporations that are running this country.

[Psycho4Bud]

"The clothes don't make the man...the values that have been taught at home do."

Thats my point completely! It starts at the home. Don't blame corporations and government for your kid being on the streets with a gun...blame yourself! Maybe if some of these PARENTS were to act like PARENTS and get off their asses and walk down to the street corner and drag lil' Jimmy home by his ear they wouldn't think they were so damn bad.
You see it with some of these athletes on TV all the time. Grew up in bad areas full of gangs but either ma or grandama would have kicked their asses if they dropped their schooling and joined the gang. It starts and ends at home! :thumbsup:

[BlueCat00]

Its not that simple....You do have to look at our crumbling infrastructure as well.

Corporate execs making 400 times what the people doing the real work are making...it is disgraceful. There is going to be a blue collar revolt in this country
GM is just the beginning...

[Psycho4Bud]

Its not that simple....You do have to look at our crumbling infrastructure as well.

Corporate execs making 400 times what the people doing the real work are making...it is disgraceful. There is going to be a blue collar revolt in this country
GM is just the beginning...

If it happens it happens. Fact is, Irans President ran under the platform of better distribution of the oil wealth. The people there are STILL living on $200 per month.

Like I said, it's up to the parents to get..and keep their kids off the streets and on the right path. IT'S THEIR FIRST PRIORITY! :thumbsup:

[Breukelen advocaat]

Bold lettering mine.

it would be much more construtive if you would spend more time learning why this type pf social deterioration is happening in our country. Why do these kids feel the need to join these gangs, What has happened to the social fabric to cause this?
The role of the father in the family structure has been destroyed by the courts, radical feminism, and the so-called men that allowed, or helped, this situation to happen

It is obvious that these young people are hurting... many of them have no families so they form their own.
Exactly my point. Fortunately, that trend has been contained a little, lately.

When young people encounter both personal and institutional racism the risks are increased they will become violent. When groups of people are denied access to power, privileges, and resources, they will often form their own anti-establishment group
The personal and institutional racism is often caused by race-based affirmative action, quotas, and other erroneous policies. My wife used to work in the personnel dept. of an investment company. They wanted to hire more minorities, but they hardly even showed up to apply.


A sense of hopelessness can result from being unable to provide for your family. Young people living in poverty may find it difficult to meet basic physical and psychological needs which can lead to a lack of self-worth.
Until you DO some things, you don't deserve "self-worth". It is not something that people are "born" with - it must be attained. Starting a family without the financial means to provide for them is stupid. I didnâ??t do it, and Iâ??m glad. I had of obstacles to overcome,, and didnâ??t turn to violent criminal acts, or create more misery by having kids that I couldn't afford.

They come from homes where they feel alienated or neglected. Risks increase when the community fails to provide sufficient youth programs or alternatives to violence.
The "community" is not responsible for providing these alternatives. We played in the streets, and lived through it. We didnâ??t have "youth programs" back then, and we learned a lot about life, and the real world, without them.

Educational loans have been cut, foodstamp programs have been cut, medicaid cut, after school programs cut, Conflict resolution programs gone, education and training programs gone, headstart cut, these are all directly related to a youth's positive development.
These programs have been cut because they did not work. Every year, New York City has summer jobs for high school-age youth, and most kids wonâ??t even take the jobs. I learned how to go out, get jobs, and work before I was 14, after school & weekends, and got working papers at 14 years old. The kids today wonâ??t do it â?? old men are now delivering the newspapers, and shoveling snow for people in the winter, while youngsters get fat sitting around playing video games (and those are the GOOD ones).

The infrastructure of this country is crumbling.. Corporate salaries 10 or 15 years ago averaged 20 times the blue collar workers.Now they are 400 times it...
I'd like to see where that number comes from. Very few people make even close to 400 times the average blue collar wage. If the "average" blue collar salery is 35 grand a year, then 400 times that is 14 million. A VERY small amount of people make that kind of money.

There have always been gangs that is nothing new...and there will always be gangs as long as there is this huge gap between the rich and the poor and a society that would rather whine and bitch and call names instead of facing the real problem the inept leadership, and corrupt corporations that are running this country.

That's right, blame everybody and everything other than the people that refuse to act responsibly. Big Blue is NOT causing youth to form gangs.

[BlueCat00]

STANFORD GRADUATE SCHOOL OF BUSINESS â?? What do Disney, AT&T, Exxon, and Verizon have in common? Based on economic performance and what they paid their CEOs from 1991-2002, a new academic study argues that all these firms were headed by CEOs who were paid too much.

These firms, say the researchers, are among a group of companies headed by CEOs whose pay is negatively related to job skill: The CEOs seem to be rewardedâ??in most cases, quite amplyâ??for their bad performance. Disney's Michael Eisner, for example, was paid $38 million above the industry average when for three out of six years the company's performance actually declined in relation to other firms in the entertainment industry.

"Lately there have been legitimate concerns about CEO pay," said Stanford Professor Robert Daines. In 1992, the average CEO of an S&P 500 firm earned $2.7 million. By 2000, average pay for these CEOs had increased more than 400 percent, to more than $14 million. When compared to the pay of average workers, the increase is even more dramatic: In 1992, CEOs were paid 82 times the average of blue-collar workers; in 2004, they were paid more than 400 times those salaries.

http://www.gsb.stanford.edu/news/res...s_ceopay.shtml

[Psycho4Bud]

STANFORD GRADUATE SCHOOL OF BUSINESS â?? What do Disney, AT&T, Exxon, and Verizon have in common? Based on economic performance and what they paid their CEOs from 1991-2002, a new academic study argues that all these firms were headed by CEOs who were paid too much.

These firms, say the researchers, are among a group of companies headed by CEOs whose pay is negatively related to job skill: The CEOs seem to be rewardedâ??in most cases, quite amplyâ??for their bad performance. Disney's Michael Eisner, for example, was paid $38 million above the industry average when for three out of six years the company's performance actually declined in relation to other firms in the entertainment industry.

"Lately there have been legitimate concerns about CEO pay," said Stanford Professor Robert Daines. In 1992, the average CEO of an S&P 500 firm earned $2.7 million. By 2000, average pay for these CEOs had increased more than 400 percent, to more than $14 million. When compared to the pay of average workers, the increase is even more dramatic: In 1992, CEOs were paid 82 times the average of blue-collar workers; in 2004, they were paid more than 400 times those salaries.

http://www.gsb.stanford.edu/news/res...s_ceopay.shtml

And this is the reason why ma and pa can't get off their asses and get lil' Gary gang-bang off the street corner. GET REAL!! :smokin: