Quote Originally Posted by Tholiak
If the founding fathers didnt want God in our nation..why then did they open and close their meetings in prayer?
I have nothing against allowing "holiday" songs such as Jingle Bells, Santa Claus is Coming To Town, Frosty the Snowman, Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer , etc., in government-sponsored schools and such. I think that they're fun for kids, and less offensive to many, than songs about teenage jewish virgins getting impregnated by a ghost and her prodigy stomping out demons disguised as snakes. Do you really think that the founding fathers were stupid enough to believe in this asinine nonsense?

Believing in a "god" was a far different thing for Jefferson, Washington, John Adams, Thomas Paine, James Madison, Franklin, Ethan Allen, and others than it is for useless garbage like Falwell and Roberson. Even some of the Pilgrims, the religious "saints" of those first Mayflower passengers, did not celebrate xmas and other holidays because they were educated enough to know that the celebrations came from pagan holidays. If you want some quotes from Thomas Jefferson, regarding his thoughts on organized religion, it's easy enough to find them through a google searh.

George Washington, like many of his comrades was a Deist. http://www.deism.com/washington.htm
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/...washington.htm
These men, and others, did not believe in the divinity of christ, virgin births, or anything else of that ilk.

One of my personal favorites:
Jeffersonâ??s Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
"One day the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in the United States will tear down the artificial scaffolding of Christianity. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
http://www.deism.org/foundingfathers.htm

Thomas Jefferson vs. Pat Robertson:
http://www.deism.com/thinksam1.htm

One of my personal favorite Jefferson quotes:
Jeffersonâ??s Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
"One day the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in the United States will tear down the artificial scaffolding of Christianity. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
http://www.deism.org/foundingfathers.htm