US defends use of white phosphorus against Iraq insurgents

[Psycho4Bud]

Hey moron. I said that its use against civilians isnt alright. I mentioned that when used against civilians or soldiers its THEN classified as a chem weapon.

Well hello dumbass. (since thats how ya wanna play it)
Use against soldiers...enemy combatants is fine by the international community....take it up with the U.N.! :thumbsup:

[pisshead]

Hey moron. I said that its use against civilians isnt alright. I mentioned that when used against civilians or soldiers its THEN classified as a chem weapon.

don't even bother...put him on ignore, what the fuck has he done here, what does he add to the discussion...absolutely nothing. his words are worthless.

their minds are so far gone, their idea of freedom is tyranny for us and tyranny for all...saddam's bad because he uses weapons on people, yet our government does the same thing...why should i point fingers and tell people halfway around the world they need to have freedom when this country's freedom is going down the drain?

i'm going to work on what's going on at home...let the neo-con war mongers give up their rights and take the rights of others...they're going to get what's theirs...as are the fake democrats who think their candidate's going to do a fuck of a difference...

i'm so radical, i believe in constitutional freedom and not intervening in other country's affairs, especially when those countries are doing the same thing to its people as mine is...

real freedom, constitutional freedom, scares the shit out of the socialist neo-cons and fake democrats...

[Psycho4Bud]

don't even bother...put him on ignore, what the fuck has he done here, what does he add to the discussion...absolutely nothing. his words are worthless.

Since you have me on ignore you wouldn't know what I had to say or add you dumb fuckin' piece of whale shit! Go back to suckin' off A. Jones as you do sooooo very well! :dance:

[pisshead]

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[align=left]i'd like to know why other countries can't even think about creating the capability to make these weapons while our country is allowed to actively use them against other people?[/align]
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[align=left]Christian Science Monitor: Remains of Toxic Bullets Litter Iraq[/align]
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[align=left]Doug Rokke, Ph.D., is former Director of the U.S. Army Depleted Uranium (DU) Project[/align]
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[align=left]Traprock Peace Center hosted this national call-in press conference with[/align]
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[align=left]Dr. Rokke made a number of startling revelations. Over 221,000 veterans from[/align]
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[Psycho4Bud]

Leave it to lil' pissy to change over the topic to his choosing! :thumbsup:

[BlueCat00]

well it seems things haven't changed much around here....

You guys still can't seem to see the problem with supporting violent neanderthol ways....

How is American ever going to regain a shed of honor with arm chair soldiers like yourselves wanting to kill, burn or shoot anything that aint a cowboy?

For the record:

• First hand testimonials from ex Marines confirming that white phosphorus was used in Fallujah and explaining that it burns your body but not your clothing, will boil your lungs from the inside if inhaled, and is almost impossible to stop burning.
• Footage of corpses of men, women and children who had the entirety of their skin burnt off, in some cases all the way to the bone, but their clothing left intact â?? the trademark of white phosphorus â?? and in several cases with their musculature not quite burnt through, so you could see the expressions (from what I saw, expressions of horror) on their faces as they died.
• Footage of men, women and children being hospitalized for severe burns. *Footage of helicopters launching streams of white fire explained as white phosphorus on an urban area the filmmakers say is Fallujah.
• Interviews with civilians (translated from Arabic) explaining what itâ??s like to be in a white phosphorus attack.

Claims are also made that genetic deformities in children in Fallujah have arisen subsequent to white phosphorus attacks.

White phosphorus is a chemical by definition. If used as a weapon, that would make it a CHEMICAL WEAPON, wouldnâ??t it? Just by semantics alone â?? without even taking into account the horrific damage the weapon does â?? itâ??s obvious that it, like this whole cock-up of a war, should be outlawed.

Furthermore, if it wasnâ??t such a big deal, why would the Pentagon try to cover it up â?? why would they lie about it in the first place, as BBC reports that they did?

Similar chemicals, like napalm, have been banned, but the Pentagon finds ways of getting around bans by inventing new chemical compounds with similar effects and compositions but different names.

That the weapon was used is a horrific surprise. That the American government continues to lie unapologetically to its constituency is just as horrific, but no surprise.

Washington is not a signatory of the international treaty that bans the use of white phosphorus as a weapon. However, the US is a signatory of the 1977 Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol 1)
Adopted on 8 June 1977 by the Diplomatic Conference on the Reaffirmation and Development of International Humanitarian Law applicable in Armed Conflicts.
The part IV of this protocol, on itâ??s chapters I, II and III provides a rule for the protection of the civilian population (chapter II, articles 50 and 51) , civilian objects (chapter III articles 52 to 54) and the natural environment (chapter III, article 55).

On article 51, paragraph 4 we read:
4. Indiscriminate attacks are prohibited. Indiscriminate attacks are:

(a) Those which are not directed at a specific military objective;

(b) Those which employ a method or means of combat which cannot be directed at a specific military objective; or

(c) Those which employ a method or means of combat the effects of which cannot be limited as required by this Protocol; and consequently, in each such case, are of a nature to strike military objectives and civilians or civilian objects without distinction.

5. Among others, the following types of attacks are to be considered as indiscriminate:

(a) An attack by bombardment by any methods or means which treats as a single military objective a number of clearly separated and distinct military objectives located in a city, town, village or other area containing a similar concentration of civilians or civilian objects; and

(b) An attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.



Hello Nic and Pisshead glad you are still raking thru their shit.... someboby has to have a voice of reason....

[pisshead]

hey! how's it going...is everything alright...?

[BlueCat00]

everythings fine...thanks for asking!

[nicholasstanko]

everythings fine...thanks for asking!

Youre back!


How are you?! its been awhile. me an pissyve been holding down the fort and hempity's real cool too.

i thought something bad had happened. how is your health?


Great to have ya back, blue.



ooooh yer gonna git it now psycho

[Psycho4Bud]

Youre back!


How are you?! its been awhile. me an pissyve been holding down the fort and hempity's real cool too.

Yipper, the three mouseketeers have been the shit!

i thought something bad had happened. how is your health?


Great to have ya back, blue.



ooooh yer gonna git it now psycho

Cool, didn't even know she had a crush on me! :dance: