San Francisco votes against guns, army recruiters

[Torog]

Howdy Polymirize,

You say:"I'm not at all helpless. It's because of the fact that I don't view myself as helpless that I have no need whatsoever for a gun.
It's funny you mention meth by the way. Where I'm from the meth addicts are all the hicks with guns. Welcome to mountain towns I suppose. I never had police within 20 minutes of my home so I've never relied on them...

Also, are you telling me that for "safety's sake" you're always well within 90 seconds of a firearm? Do you have them hidden around the house at all times or do you just carry one strapped to your person? If you think you'll only survive 90 seconds of some incident with a meth addict are you any safer than I am? "

I say: You can have a black-belt--it don't mean that you'd be able to stop a home invasion with several armed men coming at ya..and if their hopped on drugs,yer normal blows won't do much. As for the meth hicks,at least they are smart enuff to know-that they need a gun against the likes of themselves.

I do have a 12 guage,locked and loaded,within 2-5 seconds reach,all I have to do,is flip off the safety..so for the meth head's sake,he better hope the cops are faster than me..which ain't likely.

You cannot sue the cops for failing to protect you..but if you believe in God..you can pray for help. Because being un-armed against a pack of criminals..means that only God can help you. If you have a family,you should sit down and explain to them why you choose not to ensure their safety,and apologize to them now-before ya go down,be sure to make out yer will..it really helps things.

Have a good one ...

[Polymirize]

You persist in trying to view me as helpless because I refuse to use guns. I suppose that's only fair as I pretty much continue to think the reverse is true for you. First off, I actually don't need to worry about armed home invasion, maybe you just live in a really shitty part of the country, but in the majority of the united states at least, people don't have to defend our doors against constant roving bands of armed thugs. Despite what television might lead you to believe.
Even the meth hicks that surround where I grew up, didn't shoot at each other. They may be a little undereducated and meth addicted but they're not fucking savages man, they are in fact, merely a depressing form of human being. They use their weapons to poach deer, intimidate those game wardens you're so impressed with, and in fits of rage, shoot at rocks that anger them.
And for the final point, its precisely because I have family and friends that I care about that I could never forgive myself for neglecting their safety by keeping a gun in the house. We've already mentioned how there's simply not enough education out there, and thats in addition to rather obvious statistics that show guns are more often involved in accidental shootings than heroic showdowns against a virtual army of meth heads intent on ripping me asunder. Or simply used against the owner by the actual criminal involved. No, I will in fact not keep a gun because of the possibility that someday I will need to fight a zombie apocalypse, I recognise that it's far more likely to result in injury to someone I care about.


Oh, I really need to clarify this about your 12gauge. Is it ALWAYS within 2-5 seconds reach? I mean, if it's under your pillow what happens when you're in the kitchen? or using the bathroom? It seems like the only way you could claim to be safe from the kind of invasions you seem to see me falling prey to would be to carry it on your person at all times.
In which case, I'd say one of us has a problem with paranoia...

:thumbsup:

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

1. what do you fuckers have against france
2. guns are bad, i want to shoot the fucker who invented the first firearm.
3. the only thing a gun is good for is imposing on the free will of another person.




now. why dont we want to ban guns?


because there's nothing stopping other countries from using them against the people who CANT DEFEND THEMSELVES... BY LAW!

the right to bear arms CANNOT be imposed on... not legally anyways...



but that doesnt change my opinion that we need to shoot everyone who uses a gun, wants a gun, and thinks guns are nessacary.

just so they can have first hand experiance with what a gun does.

[nicholasstanko]

Interesting...

And second, in response to nic, first off, thanks for actually summarizing your thoughts into an original post... It seems like you really live in fear of your fellow man. Maybe you think you need a gun to be safe. But statistically you're more likely to shoot yourself or a family member than to ever have to shoot at an intruder or some other member of the criminal element (assuming of course, that you're not in fact a member of the criminal element). When you add that to the fact that most criminals obtain their guns illegally (see; stolen from people who have guns) doesn't it seem like the best way to reduce this would be to eliminate "legal" guns from the system?
And no, I'm not suggesting a complete ban on weapons, but realistically, everytime I hear somebody say they need an automatic weapon to hunt deer, I conclude that this person probably needs a different hobby, like badmitten, where they're less likely to hurt themselves or others.

I don't live in fear of my fellow man. I live in a world where my fellow man fears me. It's human nature of course. If I have something someone wants, they will try to take it from me if their want is that high. So too will be my recourse when pushed to the outermost brinks of desperation. we will have to see.

As for statistics, they aren't a fortune-telling tool. They are a resource for examining history. It's always best to learn from our mistakes, so instead of looking at statistics to reason why gun ownership is bad, why dont you look at them to figure how to make them better?
I'm quite sure that a parent can safely lock away a gun from a child. And how about some parent-child counseling as well? I was taught from a very young age not to touch grandpa's shotgun, and i never did. not even once.
It's not a perfect system and parents and kids will fuck up. how does that mean that others more responsible can't have one if they feel it protects them?

Very interesting...

[Psycho4Bud]

Interesting...



I don't live in fear of my fellow man. I live in a world where my fellow man fears me. It's human nature of course. If I have something someone wants, they will try to take it from me if their want is that high. So too will be my recourse when pushed to the outermost brinks of desperation. we will have to see.

As for statistics, they aren't a fortune-telling tool. They are a resource for examining history. It's always best to learn from our mistakes, so instead of looking at statistics to reason why gun ownership is bad, why dont you look at them to figure how to make them better?
I'm quite sure that a parent can safely lock away a gun from a child. And how about some parent-child counseling as well? I was taught from a very young age not to touch grandpa's shotgun, and i never did. not even once.
It's not a perfect system and parents and kids will fuck up. how does that mean that others more responsible can't have one if they feel it protects them?

Very interesting...

DAMN....I had to read this post over about four times. I think our Nick is a closet Republican!!! :dance:

[nicholasstanko]

DAMN....I had to read this post over about four times. I think our Nick is a closet Republican!!! :dance:

interesting...

lol, i find that rather to live in absolution, why not take the best parts from both parties' ideological systems and call it a day?


very interesting...

[Psycho4Bud]

interesting...

lol, i find that rather to live in absolution, why not take the best parts from both parties' ideological systems and call it a day?


very interesting...

I agree fully!!! LOL....just seems like we usually select different parts! :smokin:

[Polymirize]

I'm quite sure that a parent can safely lock away a gun from a child. And how about some parent-child counseling as well? I was taught from a very young age not to touch grandpa's shotgun, and i never did. not even once.
It's not a perfect system and parents and kids will fuck up. how does that mean that others more responsible can't have one if they feel it protects them?

You might be sure, but you would actually be wrong then. Apparently a large portion of gunowners in the country just can't be trusted with the responsiblity of owning a weapon. To such a degree that I'd go so far as to remove sharp and pointy objects from them as well... Society has shown it can't handle this particular privilege. I use privilege in the same sense as the old phrase "driving is a privilege and not a right". Although I'd agree. We issue tests to make sure people are trusted with cars. I might actually go so far as to support some sort of impulse control test that successfully passing would allow for the purchasing of a firearm. Unfortunately most gun owners seem to think this would prohibit them from owning a gun anymore. And I'd tend to agree. So where do you think we should go as a society in order to protect those people who apparently can't protect themselves? I'm talking, of course, about gun owners...

Very interesting...

Indeed.

All bold text my own

[nicholasstanko]

All bold text my own

Interesting...

I suggest that guns, at the very least should not be banned. I've had the unfortunate reality knocked into me first-hand what happens when someone has a gun they want to use on you when you dont have one. I didn't blame guns on the death ive seen, and i refuse to let the same fate happen to me. i might end up shooting my own dick off, thats always a concern, but i'd be even more concerned if someone else did the same


very interesting...

[BlueCat00]

1. what do you fuckers have against france
2. guns are bad, i want to shoot the fucker who invented the first firearm.
3. the only thing a gun is good for is imposing on the free will of another person.




now. why dont we want to ban guns?


because there's nothing stopping other countries from using them against the people who CANT DEFEND THEMSELVES... BY LAW!

the right to bear arms CANNOT be imposed on... not legally anyways...



but that doesnt change my opinion that we need to shoot everyone who uses a gun, wants a gun, and thinks guns are nessacary.

just so they can have first hand experiance with what a gun does.

Well said!! :thumbsup: