Quote Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
not so! You dont expect crime to decrease immediately but you're forgetting that not having a gun ban stops crime from increasing.

Crime increases when you take guns away because the only people left with guns are the police and criminals that dont care about the law.

Im not letting some donut-eating pork fried cop protect my life. I mean i like as much help as i can get, but the ultimate responsibility in doing the best i can to wake up tomorrow is going to be on me.

Gun bans are a sham...its just another way for the government to get more power.

You give up your guns...the criminals take over...the police are given more guns and power to keep us "safe" from "criminals".


whatever.

Two things, the first would be to concede defeat to pisshead. Yes, that's quite an impressive batch of statistics. I won't even check it, because I'm sure the Gun Owners foundation isn't in any way biased, but merely wants the truth to be known.

... idiot.

And second, in response to nic, first off, thanks for actually summarizing your thoughts into an original post... It seems like you really live in fear of your fellow man. Maybe you think you need a gun to be safe. But statistically you're more likely to shoot yourself or a family member than to ever have to shoot at an intruder or some other member of the criminal element (assuming of course, that you're not in fact a member of the criminal element). When you add that to the fact that most criminals obtain their guns illegally (see; stolen from people who have guns) doesn't it seem like the best way to reduce this would be to eliminate "legal" guns from the system?
And no, I'm not suggesting a complete ban on weapons, but realistically, everytime I hear somebody say they need an automatic weapon to hunt deer, I conclude that this person probably needs a different hobby, like badmitten, where they're less likely to hurt themselves or others.

Again, maybe you wouldn't see an immediate decrease in crime (sound familiar) from banning guns, but as the cops continue to do their job (and they do) and more and more illegal guns are removed from the street, it would be harder and harder for the criminal element to replace them.

Let me clarify: criminals can't buy guns at a store because of background checks. So criminals need to get guns from people who buy guns for protection from criminals. If people decided not to give into their fear of other people and arm themselves to the teeth, then these criminals would lose their source of guns... make sense? anyone else on board with this?