Quote Originally Posted by phareye
i'm missing the whole native connection here.
are you saying that after decimating an entire nation we should now realize that the NA natives had (gasp) something worth offering?
and if so, why focus on the torture that was not about gaining info to help secure the tribe?
or are you just into primitive torture methods? granted, it is some cold, yet interesting, stuff.

I am not condoning, or condemning, the Native American "primitive" torture methods, or the rationale behind their uses. I was just pointing out that they did it, and appartently it was quite a tradition in their culture.

Hempity, AKA "Running Chicken Scalper", says, about the Case for Torture, "you are just justifying what you punks like to do anyway". By "you punks", he is referring to European white people, especially those in America - whom he will always be against, no matter who the enemy is, or what they do. Well, the man is wrong once again - on several counts. He is a great liar about history, and he says whatever suits him. Since he's got a small audience of high-school and college kids, many of whom don't know better, and a few '60's burn-outs, on his side, he just writes whatever he thinks will cause people to hate America, and her role in the world.

I would say that my position is similar to that of Mr. Levin, who wrote The Case for Torture (above). I make no apologies for this: Since 9/11 there??s been no attacks on American soil by terrorists ?? so if that was accomplished by torture, then so be it. Today's definition of "torture", as carried out by secret agences, is a far cry from the barbaric rituals of the Indians.