Diminishing tolerance--what is going on?

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

Yeah, Shai. Maybe subconsciously you panic because of your bad trip and because it was caused by a drug?

I dunno, I'm not a psychologist.

My advice, though, is to take the tiniest of hits. Try one little hit from a pipe and then go lie down. I also suggest therapy -NOT INVOLVING DRUGS-. Best therapists are always your best friends. Get someone willing to listen to you and just talk about your bad trip and everything.

Good luck, Shai. You're one of the cannabis.com greats and it's sad to see you like this!

[sotpmoker420]

What you are going through is medically defined as "Reverse Tolerance" it happens to alot of people who use the same drugs or alcohol chronically or on a consistant basis. It is part of a whole cycle of medically defined stages of drug or alcohol use. Below I will exlpain how it happens with marijuana.

Remember when you first started smoking weed and just a bit could get you BLAZED? That is when you are new to the drug and your body has no idea how to handle it. As time goes on your body gets more and more used to having THC in its system, and can deal with it accordingly, making you freak out less, but need more and more to get higher and higher. As time goes on you reach a peak, or a plateu of tolerance for weed, your body can still only take so much no matter how used to it you have gotten. This can lead to a short, or VERY long period of time where it takes ALOT to get you baked, but your tolerance never increase any more than it already is. Some people just stop here, and its really hard for them to get as baked as they once were off of so little weed. Others, on the other hand, sometimes stimulated by experiances with other drugs, really bad trips, or just a massive "overload" of THC to where the body can't take processing it anymore, go through "reverse tolerance." This is where your body is basically so tired from processing the drug that it can't keep up anymore, and just a little will FUCK YOU UP, and usually with some not so pleasent side effects.

The way to solve the problem of having to high of a tolerance or going through a really really bad reverse tolderance trip is by quitting for a few weeks at a time, let your body recover and not be used to having drugs in you for a while, remember what its like to feel normal. This will save you TONS of money on weed in the long run, and make sure that you know you can quit whenever you want, and help prevent agianst mental addiction.

Take a break man, then have a blast in two weeks! about a month or two later, take another break. Repeat as necessary. :rasta:

[Shai Hulud]

Remember when you first started smoking weed and just a bit could get you BLAZED? That is when you are new to the drug and your body has no idea how to handle it. As time goes on your body gets more and more used to having THC in its system, and can deal with it accordingly, making you freak out less, but need more and more to get higher and higher.

It took me six attempts to even get high. For several months I had to smoke copious amounts of weed to get blazed. My tolerance didn't decline until I tried mushrooms, and then it spiralled down immediately. Not only did my tolerance decline, but effects of smoking became unpleasant, triggering flashbacks, hallucinations, anxiety, the works.

I'm 100% sure that for a few months I had HPPD. It's rare, but users of psychedelics can potentially develop this disorder, especially after having an extremely bad experience. It's very rare for this to happen from just one trip, but apparently mine was that bad, and I'm the lucky rarity.

But like I said, the constant anxiety, visual effects, and confusion faded after a few months. So in a way I really am lucky, I guess. For some people it takes longer, and for a few it never goes away. But use of certain drugs, especially marijuana, brings back the HPPD. Mushrooms ruined my favorite drug for me.

Take a break man, then have a blast in two weeks! about a month or two later, take another break. Repeat as necessary. :rasta:

Check when I made this thread. Yes, this happened in October. I've taken some very long breaks, but to no avail. My longest period of complete abstinence was about four months, but it didn't help. I think until I learn differently, I'm just going to abstain from weed completely for another six months or so. Then I'll try again. Even if it takes years, I just hope I can smoke again someday.

For other people who think you may have HPPD, check out this forum. There's a lot of good, helpful information here.

http://www.hppdonline.com/board/viewforum.php?f=1

[ukmonkey]

I know EXACTLY how you feel bro, same shit happens to me now. But I still have to smoke a lot. But if I smoke by myself then I get really paranoid. It gets bad, I mean I hate to say this but I think what you're experiencing is early stages of schizophrenia, that's been going on for me for just about a month now for me maybe a little longer. But when I'm high I usually feel "Crazy" like I'm having a crazy mental breakdown. But when I'm sober I'm back to normal. Like I completely freak out if its at night and I'm really fucking high, I get so scared for NO REASON. Sometimes its crippling. I'd say either counter it with some booze or just relax and smoke only with friends or small amounts by yourself.

Also when I smoke with people I seem fine. Well if you figure it out be sure to tell me because I know what you're talking about and it SUCKS!

OMG I had exactly the same thing the other day and I smoked a joint in my room and suddently felt like pure fear. Nothing caused it and I knew it was just the drug but for about 2 hours that seemed like 2 years I was shaking and thought I had lost my mind.

I found there are 2 solutions:

1. Don't smoke alone. atleast not for now. Having people around you keeps you from falling into your own world and dwelling on depressing shit.

2. I found that when I'm high on draw I may become totally incapacicated but if my subconcious tells me something is wrong I can snap out of it. EG I can sit in a chair with my eyes closed and headphones on and be literally paralyzed but if someone walked into the room I would sort of snap out of it. I found the experience is exactly like waking up out of a dream except I had my eyes open and was fully concious.

This sounds cheesy but you need to take control of your subconcious which is infact quite easy on weed. You need do keep away from dwelling on negative thoughts and feelings.

Trust me, get stoned, listen to some relaxing music and think about sex. If a negative thought comes into your head just drive it out, don't try to understand it that makes it worse. Firsat start by taking three hits. Then put it away. Wait 40 minutes before having more and even then only do it if you want to.

Hope this helps. When I had my first bad trip I promised myselft i would never smoke weed again but now im so glad I have because weed has given me some truly amazing experiences.

[smitty420]

me 2 bro its fuckin weird. When i first start smoking my tolerance was low. Ive been smoking nearly everyday for about a year and a half now and like for the past month or so ive been getting incredibly smacked off pot. Its kinda embarrassing ill be smoking with a bunch of noobs and be completly wasted and i cant figure out why. I always thought weed had a regular tolerance where the morey ou smoke the more you need but recently its been the opposite. its pretty cool tho