i acutally like the way this thead has turned. i dont' really believe in age either, i don't get why we can be 1 day away from 20 and it's "not right to drink alcohol" then the next day, all of a sudden, even if nothing inside has changed it's "ok"... same with any age limit, none of it has ever made sense to me.....if i am to judge a person, i don't even need to know their age, i judge the character, by the way they talk, the maturity they do or don't show, and the knowledge they present. bush is atleast over 40, and acts more of a "deer caught in the headlights dumb ass loser" then some 12 year olds i've known.... if anything i would say statisticly, people "of age" are growing down and getting stupider while the "underage" group is growing smarter and more knowning of what's going on around them.