i find that when i grind the bud for a bong. at least my buddys bong that we usually use. u can put half a gram in there, its ALWAYS 2 tokes to a bowl, never more. gets you fucked though, cuz theyre like.... quarter gram hits lol, and u do a bunch of them. but yeah, i grind up bud for my joints too, makes it so much better, can get it all the same consistency