I haven't messed with LEDs yet, beyond trivial use. The only LEDs I have laying around pre-date the availability of 1w and above LEDs. Totally useless to the discussion, in other words.. just some random Radio Shack junk.. although I can make some nifty "eyes" with two reds and an old watch battery..

If I do a normal grow using LEDs, I'm thinking about 1 Procyon with a pair of 2-lamp 2x- or 4x-overdriven T12 P&A 4-footers in a slightly larger than 4'x4' space.

I have no money to spare right now and I'm bone dry here, (and in a lot of pain) so anything I do will be the next time I get some spare cash. I thought about making 2' and 4' fixtures (similar in dimension to the typical simple boxy T12/T8 1-light or 2-light fixtures of the same length) out of the best white LEDs I could get my hands on once I have the money.. but that may be some time off yet. Still have work to do to my car, my truck, and my house.. but in time, I'll do the white LED experiment.

I want to say the place I used to visit was Heaven's Stairway.. and I think there was an old forum there before it got folded into overgrow.. but I haven't kept up on "weed society" since those days, so I have no idea what the name of the place really was. I could be completely and embarrassingly wrong on that one. It's irrelevant, anyway. Been years now.

I came here thinking it would be nicer to deal with only people who smoke, since some of the other places I've discussed weed on were full of "DARE kiddies" and "DARE 20-somethings" who just had to tell us every day about how we're all bad people and should go to jail.. but it seems like every other day some argument is breaking out in SnStealth's thread, for example.

I think I'm annoyed because, while I admit I have some pretty toxic views on the human race, I was kinda hoping a forum full of fellow stoners would go some way towards quelling my growing rage against the species.. I didn't think coming here would help reinforce those toxic views. (there seem to be some decent people here, they're just drowned out by all the shouty angry ones)

Anyway, I'll keep an eye on what's available in white LEDs and spend some of my idle time on fleshing out the idea a bit. Not just design, but how to test different setups at the same time.