Hey turtle, don't you even post on your own thread anymore. We want pictures. What's happening? Another reason the hydro plants are so short is because I put them in a bubbler when they had 1 1/2 inch roots. They never stretched like the soil ones. I forgot about that. So if you don't plants to get big ever, then sprout them and then put the seedlings into a bubble cloner. That's how I got such short plants. That and the low light.