Ahhh, well as Zandor is the ruler of the cloning realm, I suggest you ask all questions regarding the subject to him directly... (I don't want to point you in the wrong direction) But I beleive you make a 45 degree cut witha razor on a clean surface. The shoot should have 3-4 nodes. Then dip the cutting (quicker=better) into some cloning gel and instert it into whatever medium your using. Again, I don't know much about hydro and my cloning skills are not quite polshed. Oh Zandor, Where art thou?