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[Ousted]

I didnt know this was replied to, sorry I didnt see it 'til now.

Oh, believe me sister I understand their troubles. And yes I am hostile towards social welfare programs. Instead of just shoveling money into them like a hugs money furnaces we should use that money towards preventionâ?¦.. A bird of prevention in the hand is worth two birds of treatment in the bushâ?¦.I think social welfare programs are a necessary evilâ?¦.buy the way I am currently a recipient of social welfare programs. I think those who need help should receive it in a dignified manner. I think that if you receive social welfare than you should be REQUIRED to receive financial counseling, education counseling, or whatever your problem is counseling. I understand that some people will always require these services because they are disabled or other medical/age issue and I donâ??t have a problem with that. They are my fellow Americans and I would be happy to assist them. After all social welfare programs are just government operated charities that use taxpayer money.â?¦.and charity is a powerful and capable force when handled properly. As it is right now we just throw money at poor people and hope they go away.

It's very difficult to continue this debate with you when you seem uneducated on the points of your own argument. Half of what you said isn't true or is dreamy, and the other half doesn't even make financial sense for the taxpayers.

I dont even know where to begin with this because it seems illogical for me to educate my opponant on his/her own argument so you make some lick of sense, and then I'm to try to attempt to debate you with it once you then understands what the hell it is you're is fighting so hard for? Too much work for me.
Talk to me again when you make some sense and its clear that you have some understanding of what it is your talking about.

I think minorities should have every right that I have â?¦..but they should not have moreâ?¦.affirmative action is just wrongâ?¦.not only is it wrong itâ??s insulting. It calls into question that persons actual abilities. It says â??you canâ??t make it unless we help you.â?� Business and corporations are just not the race mongers you make them out to beâ?¦.In American business itâ??s ALL about the money. They could give two craps what color you are. â?¦..And if a company finds an educated minorityâ?¦.then they the company thinks double wippie for themâ?¦.are you kidding they would be falling out of their politically correct shoes.

I think people should be given equal opportunity. And I think if you work hard and bust your ass than it shouldnâ??t matter what color your skin is.

If only you understood what the hell you were talking about this would be such an interesting discussion/debate.

Absolutely they do. But not because of the color of my skinâ?¦..Everyone has to prove themselves no matter what color their skin is. Iâ??ve had to prove myself to every employer Iâ??ve ever hadâ?¦â?¦ every single one. And I think rightly so. If hire someone to work for me than their going to have to prove themselves to meâ?¦.thatâ??s just how life works.

And No I will not shut up��lol�.

You completely missed the point. Yes, everyone does have to prove themselves, and everyone should be required to. Most people start with a blank slate and work from there.
Minorities often dont get the luxury of a blank slate though. You do recognize that, dont you? People often have preconcieved notions about them, their abilities, their intelligence, their class, etc etc. We can thank the media for that, for the most part.

If that doesnt make sense to you then I really dont know what else to tell you.

In theory what you say makes sense, but in reality this is not a black and white issue, its still grey and still needs to be treated as grey until people get mature and stop being prejudiced against others for something as rediculous as skin color.

Ousted Reviewed by Ousted on 10-21-2005. free speech :confused: Recently there was an article in the news that a woman was banned from a flight on southwest airlines for a t-shirt she was wearing that other passengers found offensive. The shirt had a pic of presidents Bush and Clinton and the word 'fuck'. The airline told her if she changed her shirt she could resume her next flight on the way. She said no. She was unable to fly on to her destination. I thought we had the freedom of speech in this country. This is the sort of thing that Rating: 5

[likemclever]

You spent all your time telling me how stupid an uneducated I am and how deeply you were struggling to comprehend me......and then at the end you tell me "In theory what you say makes sense."

Don't waste my fucking time with your insults.......unless you have a point to make.

[dirtyhippy420]

hippy=prejudice against bankers

I hate fucking bankers!

[dirtyhippy420]

Sure, when black people make fun of white people it's racism...
racâ?¢ism n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

but who the fuck cares? You know what? whoever is reading this- FUCK YOU! There, do you feel hurt? Do you need someone to comfort you? Jesus fucking Christ, grow some fucking skin you cocksuckers! People are different! Racism will never end! Learn to live with it! You're NOT special! Get over yourselves!

[Torog]

Torog, get the f*ck outta here with the republican whitebread bullshit. You'll get barely any suuport with that around here.

I can't believe you f*ckin' toke and you believe in the us government so much.

f*ck outta here.


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Howdy rajking,

I tell you what I believe in..I believe in We the People and a Constitutional Republic..I don't believe in countless,unacountable beaurocrats that operate outside the law and screw the rest of us with their little power trips.

Just because I toke,I don't have to lower myself down to yer level..I want America to be a decent place to live and raise children..not to turn it into one big, red light district..which is what the Left wants us to do.

Why don't ya cool yer jets..here,have some cookies and milk..on me....

Hav a good one ...

[dirtyhippy420]

You have to watch out for those leftist commie pinko queers. Who the hell are the to push their moral superiority? Don't they know it's subjective? Not like the blind faith, always right, my way or the highway, no middle ground, Jesus loves me more than you (he told me so) conservatives! If only they would conform, life would be so much better. I wouldn't have to watch my kids or take an interest in what they're doing, the government will take care of it. You know what would be better? if there was somewhere where we could send our kids so someone else could raise them! It sure would beat the effort I put in not taking them to the (so far) non existent live sex shows in Oregon! Just look what it did to the Netherlands! I would bet money that no one on this board would ever want to go there!

[Ousted]

You spent all your time telling me how stupid an uneducated I am and how deeply you were struggling to comprehend me......and then at the end you tell me "In theory what you say makes sense."

Don't waste my fucking time with your insults.......unless you have a point to make.

In theory what you say does make sense. But nobody in their right mind would argue your points as if they were well researched arguments with any validity. Your points sound like the points someone would make who doesn't have any idea about the intricacies of this issue. Like you have a general idea of what we are talking about, but are pretending you have complete and total understanding of what you're talking about, when its clear as day that you dont.

Dont waste my time pretending you understand what you're talking about when you clearly form your strong opinions on half truths and assumptions.

It is not my responsibility to educate my opponant on the strengths and weaknesses of his argument. You should know that before even opening your mouth and wasting anyone else's time pretending you have a clue.

Again, I would be happy to continue this discussion if you take the time to make some good arguments. And I know what they are and I know they are out there readily available to you. Its just too bad you are unaware of them and are still as passionate as you are.

[ilyas]

i agree that there definitely is racism , and one of the reasons is that we get fucking millions of immigrants from all over the place , and its starting to swamp some areas out.
the second largest turkish city in the world is in germany, and 50% of turkey said it would move to the mainland when they join the eu, thats another 30 MILLION immigrants right there!
and theres north africa where basically people from all over africa try to rush into spain and its territories like cueta and mellila all the time, 500 people trying to climb razor wire fences at a time. they catch thousands and thousands every year.
60,000 eastern europeans flooded ireland in one year alone.

basically im not racist in any way, but a lot of people see it as an invasion , as its happening so fast

i don't care if you're a racist or not. but you surely try to see the truth you choose. being a member of eu won't bring "free passage for workforce" to turkey. and you're talking about a minimum 12-15 years to come. telling the stories based on your false predictions is not less then lying. i'm not talking about the "30 million immigrants" bullshit. you actually have to protect yourself from "zee germans"

in the time that turkish people went to germany, it wasn't a fugitive action. because of the fast industrialization, germany needed workers. so they called for turkish citizens, to work for them.

sorry about the fact these people came from villages and suburbs (it's completely normal, hence the name "industrial worker"). but germany made a decision to have more workers. and germany welcomed them. and they worked for germany. and maybe they saved their money, and maybe now they have some power, and maybe not.

invasion is something you won't welcome. and if there's a fault, it's Germany's..

PS: "the second largest turkish city in the world is in germany" WTF does that mean

whatever he/she's wrong again..

[likemclever]

In theory what you say does make sense. But nobody in their right mind would argue your points as if they were well researched arguments with any validity. Your points sound like the points someone would make who doesn't have any idea about the intricacies of this issue. Like you have a general idea of what we are talking about, but are pretending you have complete and total understanding of what you're talking about, when its clear as day that you dont.

Dont waste my time pretending you understand what you're talking about when you clearly form your strong opinions on half truths and assumptions.

It is not my responsibility to educate my opponant on the strengths and weaknesses of his argument. You should know that before even opening your mouth and wasting anyone else's time pretending you have a clue.

Again, I would be happy to continue this discussion if you take the time to make some good arguments. And I know what they are and I know they are out there readily available to you. Its just too bad you are unaware of them and are still as passionate as you are.

Since when did we become fucking opponents........

I thought that I was giving my opinion on social welfare....you must be a very sad, angry person if you make "opponents" out of everyone who has a differing opinion.



I'm done with you until you unlodge whatever it is thatâ??s rammed in your ass.


Don't tell me how much I don't understand.....Are you on social welfare? Have you ever been?

it's despicable, it's a joke....they do nothing to help you get OFF welfare.....can you understand THAT or do I need to put it a different way for you.

[Ousted]

Since when did we become fucking opponents........

You and I are not opponants as far as you and I as people go. We were having a debate/discussion, you hold one set of discernment on an issue, I hold another. And we were discussing it, and challenging eachother on each's viewpoint. For the sake of debate we are opponants. Dont take it so personally, Im certainly not.

I thought that I was giving my opinion on social welfare....you must be a very sad, angry person if you make "opponents" out of everyone who has a differing opinion.

Again, dont take the term personally. I didn't use it to as a means to create a personal division between us as people, so please understand my intent with the term before taking the term to heart. I apologize if my wording confused you, and I see how it could have, but I promise my intent was not at all on any sort of personal level.

And our discussion progressed to welfare, which has nothing to do with race, frankly, considering a very small percentage of blacks are on welfare in relation to percentage of whites. We were discussing race and racism, that was the issue at hand. You were speaking as if your opinion was fact, and it was not. You have a right to your opinion, but I also have a right to object to your opinion if you voice it, especially if voiced as fact in an effort to disprove my points. I couldn't take what you said seriously about race and racism because...well...what you voice are half-truths and assumptions, like I said previously, and I will object to that, and you should expect nothing less from anybody. I wouldnt expect less from you, because I know you're highly intelligent and probably have a good nose for bullshit.

I'm done with you until you unlodge whatever it is thatâ??s rammed in your ass.

I request facts. I request knowledge. I request understanding of the issue other than from personal experience and opinions formed on assumptions.

If asking my "opponant" to offer those few things in the course of a discussion/debate so we can get somewhere with it is translated into me having something lodged up my ass, then I guess the discussion is gonna hafta end here because obviously this exchange is being taken way too personally, and there's no need for it.

Anyway, it was nice talking with you, and I'll see you in the friendlier topics.