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    #71
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    Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

    Quote Originally Posted by IgotQuestions
    So in other words, kill off more than 4 billion people. How else but with oil, industrialization, and consuming and converting goods would you expect to sustain those numbers.
    This has already been answered in the previous post.

    A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because Industrialization has increased world population to 7 billion.......World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in just about 200 years after industrialization.......In the absence of industrialization world population would have been less than 2 billion today.

    If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that are destroying environment.

    At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.

    We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list......which means Thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years of Total Human Existence on earth .........these have to be eliminated.

    We are approaching Environmental Apocalypse.......The only way to save the remaining environment is by stopping Industrial Activity for production of consumer goods and services immediately........Industrial Activity must be primarily limited to food, clothing and shelter.......and even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.
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    #72
    Senior Member

    Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

    Where is your scientific data to support these statements like "we are approaching Environmental Apocalypse" "only way to save the remaining environment is by stopping Industrial Activity"?

    Also, must be limited to? So I guess we can say goodbye to communication, transportation (including of food, medicine, and fresh water because most of humanity lives more than 100 miles from these sources in abundance), and countless other needs.

    But we will go with your three - food, clothing, shelter.

    Let us start with the first. Food. In order to grow food to sustain these numbers you need multiple things in a multitude of functions. Oil, natural gas, and industrialization. Oil is used in things like pesticides, growing and harvesting the food, and transporting it. Natural Gas is used to make plastics, pesticides, and fertilizers.

    Clothing. An industry heavily reliant on fossil fuels to create the synthetic fibers used in just about all clothing. Not to mention the processing of natural fibers such as cotton (which is produced in help of fossil fuels to begin with).

    Shelter. The easiest of them. The one that requires the use of raw natural resources in a variety of ways.


    Again, unless you wish to decide what four billion plus people will inevitably perish to accomplish a paralleled view of your only hope, it's best to keep advancing in the science of conservation and renewable alternatives that have shown us how much can be produced today using smaller amount of resources 20, 40, as far back as 100 years ago. Just because it still uses these methods does not mean you should automatically stop it.

    Speaking of which, you should probably stop using the internet since the servers you use, especially any time you use a search engine or http (which is always), you are wasting energy and polluting the atmosphere by the consumption of that energy.

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    #73
    Junior Member

    Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

    The entire world was made to follow Western Lifestyle with the promise that material comforts will bring happiness .......Let us look at the consequences.

    Industrial Activity for production of thousands of consumer goods and services has destroyed most of the biodiversity and ecosystems on earth.

    As for happiness......Entire societies are surviving on Prescription Drugs, Illegal Drugs, Alcohol, Cigarettes, Coffee and other mind altering chemicals to pull through life.

    Western Civilization which has known only Pleasure and Entertainment is not qualified to lead this world to happiness.

    The West mistook Pleasure, Entertainment and Material Comforts for happiness....The West has got no knowledge of peaceful states of mind.

    Happiness comes from making the mind peaceful.....There are methods and techniques for making the mind peaceful....Yoga, Meditation and Breath Control Techniques.

    It took the East thousands of years to develop this knowledge.

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    The West has been living life King Size with borrowed money.

    Eating and Drinking to excess with borrowed money.

    Two thirds of population growing fat with borrowed money.

    Funding wars and attacking other countries with borrowed money.

    Cradle to Grave social securities from borrowed money.

    $50,000 debt on every man, woman and child in America.

    Western Civilization quite a civilization!!!

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    This planet is home to millions of species, Not just man alone.

    This planet is not the private property of man who can do whatever he wants.

    Millions of other species only get food from earth.

    The maximum that man can / should get from this planet is food, clothing and shelter.
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    #74
    Junior Member

    Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

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    Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth....The biggest act of killing, murder and terrorism on earth.

    The West was the first to start Industrial Revolution and travel on the destructive path of Industrialization and Consumerism.......It then forced western lifestyle on its colonies in Asia, Africa and America whose cultures it had already destroyed during the era of Colonization.

    The West took the entire world on the wrong path of Industrialization, Consumerism, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP that has led to destruction of most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems.

    The West did not have the foresight to know that a lifestyle based on loot, plunder and exploitation of natural resources would destroy the very things that created and sustained all life on earth for millions of years and ultimately lead to total destruction of biodiversity and ecosystems.

    The West started Industrial Revolution and promoted Materialism because it focused on "Reason"......The East had focused on "Subjective Experience" for thousands of years which led to "Spiritual Development".

    The West spent its time and energy on "reason" which led to Science, Technology and Industrialization / Material Development....The West has got very little knowledge of Spiritual Development.....Very little concept of peaceful states of mind / peaceful subjective experience.

    The Aborigines of Australia would not have started the Industrial Revolution.

    Red Indians / Native Americans would not have started the Industrial Revolution.

    The Africans are very unlikely to have started the Industrial Revolution.

    These cultures were quite happy and content with their Rituals and Spiritual Practices.

    In India people had made efforts for Spiritual Development for thousands of years.....They developed methods and techniques for making the mind quiet, tranquil and peaceful......The knowledge of subjective experience led to the fields of yoga, meditation and pranayam [breath control].......Material Development has destroyed the planet, If any kind of development was needed it was Spiritual Development.

    Human work should fulfill the basic needs of food, clothing and shelter.....It should not turn into overwork or destructive work.....If extra time is available to people and society after basic needs have been fulfilled it should be used for Spiritual Practices, Art and Culture.

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    Industrial Society has destroyed most of the biodiversity and ecosystems on earth.

    Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth....The biggest act of killing, murder and terrorism on earth.

    This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" Societies.

    Hunter_Gatherer Society was sustainable.....Agrarian Society was sustainable.....The question of Industrial Society being sustainable doesn't arise.

    We cannot save environment by destroying more of it.....We cannot save environment by destroying it for thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter.
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    #75
    Senior Member

    Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

    Okay so you don't have any scientific information? That was all you needed to say, now I know you are just a conspiracy theorist who is paranoid with delusions. Now I know I can take what you say with a grain of salt.

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