Quote Originally Posted by pisshead
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."- Benjamin Franklin
or are the founders getting old too? what did they know...you don't get safety when you give up rights...the only thing that's getting old is that we allow history to repeat time and time again, and expect different results...
I visited the area where Franklin lived last year, in Philadelphia, and also saw the educational exhibits. If you think that, during the Revolution, people did not have to give up some "essential" liberties, you are dead wrong. Those people sacrificed more than we'll ever know. People that were Loyalists had no "liberties", and were killed, driven underground, sent to Canada, or elsewhere.

The Sons of Liberty, a Patriot organization active in several states, were an underground group that helped bring the American Revolution to fruition. They organized the Boston Tea Party in Boston, the effigy hanging of the Boston tax-head, and had chapters in New York and other cities. Their meetings were secretive, and the price of treason was death. Don't give me this crap that the Founding Fathers would disapprove of the measures that must be taken today. They'd probably hate the current administration, but would NOT call for surrender to terrorist bombers. They would mandate that anybody caught collaborating with, or giving aid and comfort to, the enemy would be hung. Maybe if we actually CAPTURED some terrorists, and hung them out to dry, it would show them where we're coming from.
Breukelen advocaat Reviewed by Breukelen advocaat on . Terror threat: Security tightened in New York they can just say there's a terror threat, and we have to take your rights to protect you...the terrorists hate your freedom, but we're taking it away so the terrorists can't...no 4th amendment is good for freedom...we're all potential terrorists...meanwhile the real terrorists (military industrial complex/white house) get off scot free...good for them, they won't be searched because they have national security to protect them, they can do whatever they want because they're officials and Rating: 5