Quote Originally Posted by pisshead
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."- Benjamin Franklin

or are the founders getting old too? what did they know...you don't get safety when you give up rights...the only thing that's getting old is that we allow history to repeat time and time again, and expect different results...

And the thing is, Pisshead, how does it stop? how does it get to the point where the citizens are forced to do the jobs they entrusted to the officials?

nero burned carthage...

hitler burned the reichstag...


how does it make us safer to live in fear and have spot checks on our personal property?


I dont hear anyone complaining about the wide-open borders. You dont think terrorists can go to mexico?

With the crime rate in New York, you'd think the police should be diverting more attention to criminals that are already terrorizing the populace as opposed to the ones a quarter of the world away.