Terror threat: Security tightened in New York

[pisshead]

they can just say there's a terror threat, and we have to take your rights to protect you...the terrorists hate your freedom, but we're taking it away so the terrorists can't...no 4th amendment is good for freedom...we're all potential terrorists...meanwhile the real terrorists (military industrial complex/white house) get off scot free...good for them, they won't be searched because they have national security to protect them, they can do whatever they want because they're officials and authorities and have nice suits and we can trust them...the peasants need to be shown who's boss...

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus...0510071190.htm

Terror threat: Security tightened in New York


New York, Oct. 7 (PTI): A high alert has been sounded in New York following "credible" and "specific" threats of a terrorist attack on its underground local train system in the coming days.

The city has been put on "orange" alert which is second highest in the colour-coded system developed by the US Department of Homeland Security and commuters have been advised against bringing backpacks, heavy packages and baby strollers as far as possible in the subway stations, officials said.

Announcing the enhanced security measures yesterday, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said officials had received information from FBI about a "specific threat." But he said officials do not believe that any of the plotters is in city at this point in time.

According to authorities, this is first time they have received specific threat against attacks on subway system and information shows that baby strollers packed with explosives could be used in the attack.

Commuters are taking the threat seriously in view of earlier terrorist attacks in London underground trains and in Spain. Searches of packages carried by commuters was stepped up, visibility of uniformed police officers increased and authorities said number of undercover agents has been increased to reassure the travellers.

pisshead Reviewed by pisshead on 10-07-2005. Terror threat: Security tightened in New York they can just say there's a terror threat, and we have to take your rights to protect you...the terrorists hate your freedom, but we're taking it away so the terrorists can't...no 4th amendment is good for freedom...we're all potential terrorists...meanwhile the real terrorists (military industrial complex/white house) get off scot free...good for them, they won't be searched because they have national security to protect them, they can do whatever they want because they're officials and Rating: 5

[Tholiak]

::tightens your tin foil hat strings:: Dont want it falling off now

[nicholasstanko]

::tightens your tin foil hat strings:: Dont want it falling off now

:: pushes tholiak's head further up bush's ass :: Dont want you falling out now.

[Toker4LifeVT]

NEW YORK (Oct. 7) - Authorities briefly closed part of Penn Station on Friday and commuters headed to work under the watchful eyes of police after a newly disclosed terror threat against the New York subway system.



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A discarded soda bottle filled with an unidentified green liquid was found at the station during morning rush hour, Amtrak officials said. The substance did not pose a threat to passengers and was removed for testing.

A majority of the station was reopened by about 10:45 a.m., more than an hour after it was closed.

Officials in New York revealed the threat Thursday, saying an FBI source warned that terrorists had plotted to bomb the subway in coming days. But Homeland Security officials in Washington downplayed the threat, saying it's of "doubtful credibility."

A half mile away at the Port Authority Bus Terminal on Friday, more officers were visible on the streets, and one lane of traffic on Ninth Avenue was reserved for emergency vehicles.

"Hopefully, God's with me and I'll be OK," Vinnie Stella said earlier while clutching newspapers under his arm as he entered the subway at Penn Station.

Rob Johnson, 30, said he wasn't worried. "The cops have it under control."



Reuters
The subway is under its most specific threat of an attack ever, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg called it the most specific terrorist threat that New York officials had received to date, and promised to flood the subway system with uniformed and undercover officers.

"We have done and will continue to do everything we can to protect this city," Bloomberg said at a nationally televised news conference. "We will spare no resource, we will spare no expense."

The New York Police Department boosted existing measures to search for bombs in commuters' bags, brief cases and luggage. The threat also involved the possibility that terrorists would pack a baby stroller with a bomb, a law enforcement official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.

The official said the threat was "specific to place," and that the window for the attack was anywhere from Friday through at least the weekend.

In Washington, White House spokesman Scott McClellan on Friday repeated the Bush administration's characterization of the terror threat as "of doubtful credibility" even though the threat was specific.

A counterterror official, who was briefed about the threat by Homeland Security authorities and spoke on condition of anonymity, said the intelligence did not reflect "on-the-ground, detailed, pre-surveillance" methods consistent with credible information. Rather, the official said, the intelligence was similar to "what can be found on the Internet and a map of New York City."

The law enforcement official in New York said that city officials had known about the threat at least since Monday, but held the information until two or three al-Qaida operatives were arrested in Iraq within the past 24 hours. Once the arrests were made, officials felt they could go public, the official said.

Those arrested had received explosives training in Afghanistan, the same official said Friday. They had planned to travel through Syria to New York, and then meet with an unspecified number of operatives to carry out the bombings.

The U.S. military spokesman's office in Baghdad had no information on the arrests. Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said he had seen no indication of a U.S. military operation to round up al-Qaida operatives.

On Thursday, a television station said it held off on reporting about the subway threat for two days because officials in New York and Washington voiced concerns that public safety could be affected and ongoing operations jeopardized.

WNBC reporter Jonathan Dienst, who covers security and terrorism issues, said he started making calls about the threat on Tuesday. Local and federal officials then got in touch, expressing concern that airing the story would do damage.

The station decided to hold off, citing "the intensity of the level of the request," said Dan Forman, vice president of news.

An estimated 4.5 million passengers ride the New York subway on an average weekday. The system has more than 468 subway stations. In July, the city began random subway searches following the London train bombings.

Gov. George Pataki said Thursday the state would call up hundreds of National Guard troops and ask Connecticut and New Jersey to patrol commuter trains.

New York's security level remained at orange, the same level it has stayed at since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. Bloomberg said there was no indication that the threat was linked to this month's Jewish holidays.

Associated Press Writers Sam Dolnick, Jim Fitzgerald and Ula Ilnytzky in New York, and Devlin Barrett and Lara Jakes Jordan in Washington, contributed to this report.


10-07-05 11:46 EDT


Hmm looks to me like its doubtful credibility not credible.

[Breukelen advocaat]

I commute to and from Manhattan during the workweek. I am now going to start taking the express bus, rather than the subway. This is more expensive, but safer. I do not want to be in the subway system if we have a day like London had when itâ??s Underground was bombed. Hopefully, I will survive in time to retire from my job in a couple of years and will not have to deal with it anymore.

NYC needs more protection. The pork barrel method of allocating resources for it, which is currently being used, is ridiculous. If New York City goes down, so does the rest of the country - and "they" know this.

[hempity]

i was watching the news from new york.

there were "police"? walking around in battle dress and packing full auto weapons, they were searching anyone they felt like, i am sure asking for "papers" also.

doesn't that seem a little out of place in the land of the free and the home of the brave?

i must be to old, i just don't see the difference between what is happening now in new york, and the way it was in germany and poland, during hitlers reign.

[Breukelen advocaat]

i was watching the news from new york.
there were "police"? walking around in battle dress and packing full auto weapons, they were searching anyone they felt like, i am sure asking for "papers" also.
doesn't that seem a little out of place in the land of the free and the home of the brave? i must be to old, i just don't see the difference between what is happening now in new york, and the way it was in germany and poland, during hitlers reign.

Please refrain from comparing everything that you do not like to Hitler and Nazi Germany. This rhetorical device is "getting old", and it's not applicable to the situation in New York, where the largest mass murder in America's history took place on 9/11/01.

The police are NOT walking around rousting, or "searching" people in NYC. There are random baggage checks in the subways. I have not been subject to this. The City is ASKING people to refrain from bringing backpacks and large bags in the subway, so that they do not have to inspect them.

Believe it or not, I am disturbed by the infringements on my privacy â?? but that may be necessary in these times for safety.

Had our foreign policies been different, possibly this situation would not have come about. Our domestic policies for the security of the nation are hampered by rivalries between agencies. The public becomes confused when the Dept. of Homeland Security, New York City, and other agencies issue conflicting opinions regarding the viability of a threat.

The incompetence of much of the government is staggering to behold, and, for me at least, is a fairly good indication of the lack of plausibility for a vast â??conspiracyâ?� design in this terrorism story. The facts are sad, and often disgraceful, but the sources must be considered. This crew is too dumb to be able to pull off a major coup in a way similar to that which some of you are suggesting. Some power brokers WILL take advantage of the opportunities for profit, but I do not think that they would be able to successfully cover-up their participation with staging major terrorist attacks - and subsequently blaming al queda.

[pisshead]

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."- Benjamin Franklin

or are the founders getting old too? what did they know...you don't get safety when you give up rights...the only thing that's getting old is that we allow history to repeat time and time again, and expect different results...

[Breukelen advocaat]

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."- Benjamin Franklin
or are the founders getting old too? what did they know...you don't get safety when you give up rights...the only thing that's getting old is that we allow history to repeat time and time again, and expect different results...

I visited the area where Franklin lived last year, in Philadelphia, and also saw the educational exhibits. If you think that, during the Revolution, people did not have to give up some "essential" liberties, you are dead wrong. Those people sacrificed more than we'll ever know. People that were Loyalists had no "liberties", and were killed, driven underground, sent to Canada, or elsewhere.

The Sons of Liberty, a Patriot organization active in several states, were an underground group that helped bring the American Revolution to fruition. They organized the Boston Tea Party in Boston, the effigy hanging of the Boston tax-head, and had chapters in New York and other cities. Their meetings were secretive, and the price of treason was death. Don't give me this crap that the Founding Fathers would disapprove of the measures that must be taken today. They'd probably hate the current administration, but would NOT call for surrender to terrorist bombers. They would mandate that anybody caught collaborating with, or giving aid and comfort to, the enemy would be hung. Maybe if we actually CAPTURED some terrorists, and hung them out to dry, it would show them where we're coming from.

[nicholasstanko]

Please refrain from comparing everything that you do not like to Hitler and Nazi Germany. This rhetorical device is "getting old", and it's not applicable to the situation in New York, where the largest mass murder in America's history took place on 9/11/01.

How is it getting old? Just because the events are separated by a few decades makes any reference t today irrelevant?

How is it not applicable to the "new york" situation? As Hitler wanted more power, he used fear to manipulate the masses and grant his police force more and more power. You do realise that all this frenetic reporting and investigation is because someone spotted a soda bottle with an unidentifiable green liquid right? green liquid that didnt match the soda bottle.



The police are NOT walking around rousting, or "searching" people in NYC. There are random baggage checks in the subways. I have not been subject to this. The City is ASKING people to refrain from bringing backpacks and large bags in the subway, so that they do not have to inspect them.

Okay, so despite just listening to an interview with a man who claimed to be stopped by police and witnessed others turn around and walk away refusing to give up their rights, this is all perfectly fine. It's rather nice of the police to ask you not to bring bags or backpacks with you on public conveyance. Students dont need books, ladies dont need handbags or purses and travelers dont need silly things like luggage..


Believe it or not, I am disturbed by the infringements on my privacy â?? but that may be necessary in these times for safety.

and just why are they necessary? who wants to hurt you? a terrorist? why would a terrorist want to hurt you? i hope it's not his anger or desperation of american/free world imperialism that makes him want to. I hope it's not the fact that millions of his people have been killed over the years due to said aggression. i hope it's not because the only access to the american world he sees are propagandistic al-jazeera broadcasts showing cheering flag-wavers supporting bush and his want of destruction in their region.
How yould you feel breukelen if china wanted to "liberate" americans and bombed YOUR home and YOUR friends and YOUR family. And the only thing you saw about chinese life were throngs of chinese people cheering the government on...what would you care about bombing them or "terrorising" them? it's rhetorical, because im sure you havnt lived through anything like that.

Look, what i'm trying to say is that the only reason there are "terrorists" is because they themselves are being "terrorised". do you think for one minute, that if america and britain werent exploiting the region like how theyre doing, that bin laden or al-whatever his name is would want to hurt us? Why would they organise groups to combat americans? why would they just wake up and say "hey, let's piss off a country with more weapons and money than us!"

Had our foreign policies been different, possibly this situation would not have come about. Our domestic policies for the security of the nation are hampered by rivalries between agencies. The public becomes confused when the Dept. of Homeland Security, New York City, and other agencies issue conflicting opinions regarding the viability of a threat.

The reason they argue, is because of control and money. Dont you get it? Who needs to fund a hospital if noone got sick? who needs police where theres no crime? The CIA will scream terror alert to make their agency look like its needed desperately while the DHS will downplay its significance to not look bad...its a battle of who gets congressional approved funds at the end of the day.
You think you're safer now that the police are searching you? you're not. if the point is to terrorise americans, then any old middle-of-the-street suicide bombing will do. I hope and pray that doesnt happen on american soil, but what's to stop it?

The incompetence of much of the government is staggering to behold, and, for me at least, is a fairly good indication of the lack of plausibility for a vast â??conspiracyâ?� design in this terrorism story. The facts are sad, and often disgraceful, but the sources must be considered. This crew is too dumb to be able to pull off a major coup in a way similar to that which some of you are suggesting. Some power brokers WILL take advantage of the opportunities for profit, but I do not think that they would be able to successfully cover-up their participation with staging major terrorist attacks - and subsequently blaming al queda.

Incompetance? You think Bush writes his own speeches? You think Rumsfeld writes his own intel. reports? How much do you know about what's in the Pentagon? i thought it was a secret? If you think politics relies on whatever notes the leaders write before they g to sleep, then im sorry you're wrong. MILLIONS are invested into programs designed to calculate what happens if a certain event happens. There are droves of people who advise and write reports on the best way to handle a situation. And dont forget, everything the public gets in terms of technology and medecine, the government has in their grip at least ten years in advance. You think the internet was "invented" in 1996? right. try about 25 years prior and youd be close.