Bob, do you by any chance remember the book, movie, or show called "The Paper Chase"? It was a chronical of a 1st year law student and a gruff old professor that pretty much tortured him into being a great student.

In fact, in one episode, I believe the professor made the student, "Mr. Hart", eat cat shit. I could be wrong---it was a long time ago---but Hart did survive and went on to be a powerful, highly compensated attorney.

The moral of the story is so obvious, I won't bother stating it.