Our Government ***very personal views

[duppy man]

the trouble is the young guys off today still fall for the same propaganda that the young men and women have fallen for years to get them to do what the Gov. wants..

[Libertarian Toker]

"I think someone took my words and turnd them around. I'm talking about trash. And everyone knows someone that who fits that criteria. The kind that drop out of school and doesen't ever get a GED."

I think maybe someone was a little right. Some people that drop out never take any kind of a handout from the government. They end up living a productive life. Be careful who ya group, ya never know who might be part of that group. All my ged did for me was get me a year in the army. Past that I never needed it again. I am positive that there are also people that finished high school that are living off government handouts. When you say being a drop out is the criteria for being trash, your putting yourself above those that dropped out. If there should be a criteria for being "trash" at all, the criteria shouldn't be anything but abusing the welfare system.

Sometimes it is hard to reflect what you feel and think onto paper. I doub't that your trying to elevate yourself with this. I think your intentions are good. I do think your choice of words has caused you to look a little like that though. You can't learn much from people that only agree with you. Keep in mind that there is much more to learn from the people that don't agree. Not just about their argument, but about your own also.

Toker

[sawleaf]

the trouble is the young guys off today still fall for the same propaganda that the young men and women have fallen for years to get them to do what the Gov. wants..

what propoganda is that???

[duppy man]

reference to why people enlist in the 1st place and do the governments dirty work 1982 Falkland being a prime example most soldiers who were there are still asking themselves Why.. most wars are started through greed or religion or a bit of both... I take nothing away from the soldiers their courage and coviction. but would politicians have enough conviction in their views or ideals to fight for them if push came to shove.

[sawleaf]

reference to why people enlist in the 1st place and do the governments dirty work 1982 Falkland being a prime example most soldiers who were there are still asking themselves Why.. most wars are started through greed or religion or a bit of both... I take nothing away from the soldiers their courage and coviction. but would politicians have enough conviction in their views or ideals to fight for them if push came to shove.

Oh you are in the UK. I don't know how they recruit over there, but here it isn't really propaganda. Mostly here in the US they are just promissing you money for college, job training, travel, and an exciting job. I just signed up to shoot guns and be a Marine like my father, but I got everything they promissed.

[maryjanemama]

Oh you are in the UK. I don't know how they recruit over there, but here it isn't really propaganda. Mostly here in the US they are just promissing you money for college, job training, travel, and an exciting job. I just signed up to shoot guns and be a Marine like my father, but I got everything they promissed.

If I had been born a boy, I know my father would have wanted me to be a Marine like him. Only I'm an only child and a girl (much to his dismay), so it didn't work out. As it was I just woke up to revely and pounding on my door at 6 AM. He would've loved to have a boy that ended up a sharp shooter MP just like him and, if I were a male, would've probably been just as gung ho to be one. I guess it all depends on how you are raised and what your views are about military life.

[nancyrenee]

Apparently "trash" doesn't apply to you. Even though you have a GED you have a job. And that's most for some people. I disagree with you when you say I shouldn't class people. I have seen and so have you people who are straight up trash. People who if for some reason were eradicated off of the face of the earth no one would miss. So I have to disagree.

[HvyFuel]

People who if for some reason were eradicated off of the face of the earth no one would miss.

Adolf! Where have you been? Everyone thought you'd shot yourself at the end of the war but here you are. Is Elvis with you?

peace

[sawleaf]

lol Easy now HvyFuel, Nancy's been feeling kinda down lately. Harsh comment though, but I do hope you start to feel better soon Nancy! Oh and Maryjanemama, there are plenty of Expert shooting, MP women in the Corps.

[Libertarian Toker]

Apparently "trash" doesn't apply to you. Even though you have a GED you have a job. And that's most for some people. I disagree with you when you say I shouldn't class people. I have seen and so have you people who are straight up trash. People who if for some reason were eradicated off of the face of the earth no one would miss. So I have to disagree.

I have known people that your calling trash. Your right on that. I also know that some of them are better people then you or I could ever hope to be. I don't like that some people ride the system, but to group them and call them trash is being blind to everything else about them individualy, and the real problem as well. It's easy to say they wouldn't be missed. The truth is that a lot of the people you say are not trash would be missed even less then the ones you call trash. You blaim the people, when really it is the government that is doing it. It's the laws that the government passes that inable people to ride them. Without the laws there would be no ride for them to take. They are not trash, they are people. Contrary to what you might think, there are a lot of people that do care about them, and work at helping them instead of wishing them gone.

Toker