Finally a sad day

[ArtRollins]

I don't know much about secular religions, but I do remember learning the creation of society, and that, like the government, uses God as a safety net.

I like you Torog.

You are great beachguy even in thongs.

I like it. But maybe an expansion. The Profits of Religion A Study of Supernaturalism as a Source of Income and a Shield to Privilege

A gift for you. I think you will like it. Perhaps something for Torog to read and his wife also. There is something for the Jews special in there. And Upton does not leave anyone free from the bootstrapping cults.

I just need freedom and liberty to know you can god damn do the hell what you want as long as you have not damaged anyone. Now torog, you are a big fella, and no one with these bits on a screen can cause you damage. What goes on in your being is your own responsibility.

So, leave the kids alone and
Have a nice day
We do like you, you can be a great guy.

[ArtRollins]

Kotton Mouth, You have some point of view, it has holes, but presents something puzzled me for years. How a Jew can take property without payment. There is something in the handover of that area, Jordan (whom you carefully omitted) had all those people and tossed them out as they made a lot of trouble. Check your history and round it out a bit. Remember we are all fed propaganda and you can only believe from first hand.

Torog, we need you now. At least I do. Your right wing knowledge is very valuable to this question. So, angry as you may get to the heathen, lets smoke, sit back, and try and negotiate along.

Present Situation:
Massive US forces are present in Iraq and stationed in all ports in the Gulf as well as the secret (yeah!) bases in Turkey, Russia and Uzbekistan. The president of the US corporate government wants war with Iran, at the urging of the UK and the powers. Screws are being turned as the French and German built reactors in Iran have been stopped last March by the EU under the guise that they may make enriched U235 for bombs. The Iranians had to stop their nations plans and wait. In August they demanded to start since no one did anything but tell them to stop for months.

My information giving me that sad day is; The powers want the oil. They canâ??t buy the oil because they donâ??t like the people they have to give the gold to. So they want to toss out that nation, install their own people in it and begin to trade again. Like they did in Hawaii 100 years ago, and trying to do in Iraq these past 3 years. They think its a great idea, west gets oil, Iran people get democracy and fiat currency.

They understand they are as bad as the Iranians, but they have the bomb and the weapons to take them, so that is enough reason to do it. As usual, they feel they are the moral superiors being "democracies" and "Catholics". They understand they are hypocrites, but they have the power, so they will do whatever they please.

Mark the words; this came from one of the largest defense writers and people in the UK. I was floored. They threw me out for making them admit they were hypocrites. And, like you, they used the Catholics do not do the things Islam does. I almost choked. Where were the Cross of Saint George and the promise of honey in heaven from the Pope to call us to arms like 1000 years ago?

So, your goal, should you accept it, is to break the chains of history and slavery and try for something entirely different.

How do you allow a sovereign nation like Iran, faced with a powerful enemy, have his just defense?

So, did we meet at the Tekal Cafe once?

[beachguy in thongs]

Wow, Thank you so much, Art.

[Torog]

Iran and Syria may cause a slight threat to Israel and only Israel. The reason why the entire arab world, ruling out a couple maybe, have such hatred towards israel (no offence to ur GF, just talking politics) is because of the way the Palestinians were chucked out of their country by the Jews when the British Govt declared an Israeli state for the Jews (1948)...Before that Israel was in fact known as Palestine...

Jews and arabs lived happily in the Palestine. But when a civil war broke out after the Israeli state was declared, many Palestinians fled to places such as Lebanon or Syria...Taking their house keys and documents that they owned their houses along with them. However, little did they know that they would never return or they would return and find that their street names have been changed, their houses have been knocked down etc. The ones who stayed had a worse time with the racial hatred towards arabs and especially towards the muslim palestinians. Jewish gangs were known around Palestine...known for massacaring 250 arabs, half of them women and children, in one month.

You may be thinking this was ages ago....but look at the village of Qana in south Lebanon...over a hundred civilians were massacred by the jews in the late 90s...Even this summer, Israeli fighter planes would circle around Lebanon trying to intimidate the tourists and the people. In fact, Israel is the reason why tourism has done down in Lebanon...every summer its the same thing....the odd small bombing here....a few fire shots there....to them, they dont care because America is right there behind them.

This is just a tiny fragment to what the 'humble' israeli people have done...but most of it goes unnoticed...

Anyways i've rambled on a bit.....but to check out the truth behind how Israel was actually formed, check out the book 'pity the nation' by Robert Fisk, its gotta be one of the best books ive read and its really highlighted loads of problems i never knew even existed.

Howdy Sarah,

With all due respect,maam..you are wrong about the inception of the Israeli State,and to prove it,I'm gonna post a document in the politics forum ,called the "
The Big Arab Lie-The political abuse of the refugee issue. ".

I urge you to read it,as well as anyone else who's believed the lies and propaganda of the arabs.

Have a good one ...

[KottonMouthSara]

yeh my PC is messed up and its not opening that page...but i'll be sure to check it out later on....

The big arab lie huh? I guess everyone has different points of views about an enormity of things, mostly about politics or religion. Depending on what they have seen or heard as Art correctly pointed out above, people tend to be more biased after reading an article even.

'It is a tragedy of both our people. How can I explain in my poor English? I think the Arabs have the same rights as the jews and I think it is a tragedy of history that a people who are refugees make new refugees. I have nothing against the Arabs...They are the same as us. I don't know that we Jews did this tragedy - but it happened'

Shlomo Green, Jewish refugee from the Nazis, on learning
that his home in Israel was taken from a Palestinian
family in 1948.

Certainly Palestinian Arabs remember the Jewish population of the land was scarcely 10% of the total. There was always a Jewish presence there over the centuries, im not doubting that cuz Palestine for the Jews was also an ancient homeland...along with the Palestinians. However, Britain encouraged the growth of Zionism in Palestine in the early years of the WW1 cuz they wanted American Jews to ally their country in the war against Turkey.

I might not be making any sense on the screen, but in my head it was flowing beautifully so forgive me if im confusing anyone...but I will certainly check out that site as soon as I can be arsed to see whats up with this PC.

[KottonMouthSara]

Howdy Sarah,

With all due respect,maam..you are wrong about the inception of the Israeli State,and to prove it,I'm gonna post a document in the politics forum ,called the "
The Big Arab Lie-The political abuse of the refugee issue. ".

I urge you to read it,as well as anyone else who's believed the lies and propaganda of the arabs.

Have a good one ...

No need to be so rude either...

[beachguy in thongs]

Sara, that cotton mouth must getting to your brain, Torog said "With all due respect" and I think that it's safe to say he was trying to get his belief across a one-dimensional meduim without sounding like an asshole.

Or, maybe he wants to fight ya'?

[KottonMouthSara]

haha maybe...I dunno...but u know how u get slightly para when ur smoking. Anyways....I guess everyone has a right to say what they want. But politics always rubs people up the wrong way if u get what I mean.

[beachguy in thongs]

That's why I stick to talking Baseball.

[Torog]

No need to be so rude either...

Howdy Sarah,

I apologize if I offended you,I was being lazy and copied the title from the article and didn't realize it would come out in such big letters..I wasn't trying to shout at ya..I'm sorry. That's merely the title of an article,not a link to a website,I posted it in the politics forum,so you could easily read it without going to another site.

I will point out however,that yer biased towards the arabs obviously,as you seem to be portaying them as guilt-less of any crimes,when in fact-8 arab countries attacked Israel at it's inception..little did they realize-that God was on the side of His Chosen People..and that their attempt to slaughter every Jew..would fail. That 'dream' to slaughter every Jew,still remains..as well as the 'dream' to destroy the State of Israel. That 'dream' of the arab world,is what will ensure the fulfillment of Biblical prophesey..that being Armageddon.

Have a good one ...