Ok... thanks for all the help... turtle... good call... thats exactly why I was seeing opinions... I too thought it would increase the stress and right now I wasn't about to add that to the shit-list. Today they perked up a bit but I now I'll wait a couple hours and see if they begin the hardcore weeping again. I changed the water back to 15 on 15 off because last night it didn't show any difference at all and I watched them ALL THRU THE NIGHT! My pH is around 6ish but I'll give it a nute change and re-pH it, over fert could be a possibility and I'll definitly throw in an air stone. I already lifted the light... and constantly have a fan on them... buy my fan's lowest setting blows the @#$% out of them! So I put it back like 5 feet away from them and angled it so there is a steady flow into, over, and around the plants... what about temperature? It seems to have been getting colder the past couple nights, but is a couple degrees that important? If it is... I could put a heater in there with thermostat and monitor the temp to keep a perfect temp... what do you guys think? Again, thanks for all your help and I'll keep you guys posted with more pics and let you all know what's happening.