Hahaha... I'll show you what I had planned... it's the 11 plant ebb and flow system w/ a 315 gph pump with custom framing for perfect water balance... all built to 100% perfection... it's a real eye-opener... and thanks a lot for all the advice... I'll get more pics up... they are starting to look much better already! (Check back later tnite for more pics, the center leaf sets have opened already and another is on its way! Interesting how the sets on the left plant are all 7s and the plant on the right has all 5s...?!?!) Thanks again for all the help turtle and all you other shmoketeers!