Do you believe in god?

**likemclever** · 09-29-2005, 06:29 AM

So are you saying we know all there is to know about life.

We must.... because we would have "proof" by now.....right?

There is also no single scrap of evidence or "proof" that God does NOT exist......come on after thousands of years not one person has managed to bring anything to the table that might sugest even for a second that God does not exist......(do you see where I'm going with this)

A rational person would agree with this......

**weirdo79** · 09-29-2005, 07:14 AM

Actually plenty of things have been brought to the table to "Prove" certain gods dont exist. For instance "God" (known by definition as the "biblegod" the one who supposedly spawned Christ). Go to www.evilbible.com for hundreds of them.....

To say NO "godlike" being could ever exist is stupid and no scientific person would say that. We dont know the full limits of our universe however that doesnt mean we state that everything we don't understand was/is "God" that would be counter productive and ignorant (ironically ignorant is a synonym with the definition's of faith

)......We investigate and collect evidence, without any the conclusion can only be reached that it isnt there. Until you have evidence belief in something is rather silly in all reality.

There isnt really a scrap of evidence that the Loch ness monster doesnt exist other than that MOST photos are exposed as frauds others are "unexplainable" does this mean nessie is there?

Occam's razor, it's nice to dream but try to stick to reality with your head in the clouds you tend to trip over people who you can't even see.

There is no evidence for gods or sugar plum fairy's or leprechauns does that mean they can't exist? nope....Does it mean they do exist nope.....so whats the logical next step....?

Would you convict someone on hearsay conjecture rumour and assumptions? With zero actual evidence? I hope not but if so I guess your belief system is justified however "unjustly" it is in the end

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**beachguy in thongs** · 09-29-2005, 01:28 PM

It's all in how you're brought up, if you have a "supreme" being to look up to then you're mind is occupied, rather than running rampant with evil thoughts.

**GHoSToKeR** · 09-29-2005, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by likemclever

So are you saying we know all there is to know about life.

We must.... because we would have "proof" by now.....right?

There is also no single scrap of evidence or "proof" that God does NOT exist......come on after thousands of years not one person has managed to bring anything to the table that might sugest even for a second that God does not exist......(do you see where I'm going with this)

A rational person would agree with this......

Most. Illogical. Post. Ever. Captain.

If you had read my previous posts you would know that i'm not saying we know all there is to know about the Universe. In fact, this is one of the reasons I will neve believe in God. To believe in God is to believe you know the Answer to all of mans great questions and in my opinion is the height of man's arrogance.

Regarding your second point; one does not have to prove that something does not exist. This is where you are getting confused. In fact it is easier to prove that something does exist than to prove that it doesn't. If something is in front of you then that is proof enough that it exiss; however to say something doesn't exist is, by all accounts, impossible to prove. You could search the known universe for God and never find him, and a Christian search as yourself could (and probably would) say "you didn't look far enough.. he's in the next universe over". This would be impossible to disprove.

However, judging by what we know currently know of the universe there is no God. We have never found God, and by no means available to us have we ever found any evidence that he has existed. There is evidence of evolution andsuch here on Earth that screams there is no God, and still people such as yourself fail to take this in and completely ignore it.

I'll say this again;

If two people are having a dispute in which one is claiming the existence of an object or entity and one is arguing that this object or entity does not exist then it is up to the person making the original claim to provide proof of the existence of this object or entity, otherwise their claim has no ground.

I have yet to see anyone provide this proof, ever. Suppostion, yes. Conjecture, yes. Proof, no. Until you do so there is absolutely no reason for me to believe it. I believe in vampires and unicorns as much as I believe in God. And it is not my job to prove that God doesn't exist, when you can not prove that he does.

**ermitonto** · 09-29-2005, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs

It's all in how you're brought up, if you have a "supreme" being to look up to then you're mind is occupied, rather than running rampant with evil thoughts.

Then why isn't the crime rate lower for theists than for atheists? This sounds like something that could be verified with experiments. If no belief in God = evil thoughts = evil behavior, you'd be able to point to studies to prove it.

Also remember that the Nazis had a "supreme" being to look up to, only he was human and not a figment of anybody's imagination, and they certainly had evil thoughts.

**beachguy in thongs** · 09-29-2005, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by ermitonto

Then why isn't the crime rate lower for theists than for atheists? This sounds like something that could be verified with experiments. If no belief in God = evil thoughts = evil behavior, you'd be able to point to studies to prove it.

Also remember that the Nazis had a "supreme" being to look up to, only he was human and not a figment of anybody's imagination, and they certainly had evil thoughts.

Well, you can replace "belief in God" with "playing marbles", I don't care, I was just saying you gotta keep a kid occupied with pure thoughts.

**Ousted** · 09-29-2005, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

To believe in God is to believe you know the Answer to all of mans great questions and in my opinion is the height of man's arrogance.

That's so awesome.

I also completely agree with your point about disproving negatives. It's very difficult to disprove a negative (like unicorns, fairies, God, whathaveyou did not exist.) How can you possibly prove something didnt exist if it never existed in this big huge world of ours? Especially when what we are being requested to disprove isnt matter, its some spiritual entity that could live, exactly like you said, in this universe, or the next one over. Or it may not exist at all. It so unfair when believers in God make a request of others to disprove a higher power. How the fuck do you do that? If someone says "I believe in unicorns, prove to me they dont exist" you look at them like "you're the biggest idiot I've ever encountered." God damn you lazy asses, its your job to prove to me they do/did exist, otherwise dont waste my time debating with me about your little fantasies because I wasn't able to come through with disproving unicorns to your arbitrary satisfaction!

How is it not the exact same thing when the request is to disprove God instead of a unicorn? And the result would probably be the same whether the exploration was a search for God or unicorns, if we come back with nothing, then exactly like you said we'd be told we must not have looked hard enough, or maybe its something that exists on other planets or in a distant universe, or blah blah blah! Anyway, you are so right when you say it is not our responsibility to prove that what you believe in definitely doesnt exist. Thats too tall an order, its just such an unbelievably unfair request.

Great post, btw, Ghost. The line I quoted would be great as a sig, may I use it if you dont wanna? *bats eyelashes*