North Korea agrees to give up nuclear program

[nicholasstanko]

[QUOTE=Fengzi][QUOTE=ermitonto]I don't see how nukes in the hands of the American military is a much better idea than nukes in the hands of an insane person. There have been numerous times in history where the world has become dangerously close to nuclear war, sometimes just by complete accident. Nukes can't preserve or protect people. They can only kill.

Come on ermitono, you got to be kidding. Right?? There's a huge difference between the U.S. (or Russia, or even China) having nukes and someone like Kim Jong Il or some fundamentalist Muslim leader having them. The difference is that our leaders (even that idiot Bush) know the consequences of using nukes and, more importantly, care about the consequences. This keeps them from using the nukes or at least doing everything they can to prevent their use. Give those nukes to someone who it nuts, has nothing to lose, and feels cornered (like Kim Jong Il), or to someone who thinks to die in the name of Allah is glorious, and they're far more likely to use them.

Think about it, how does Kim Jong Il want to go down in history. As one of the worst leaders ever? The guy who kept his country starving, stuck in the 50's, and who aliented the rest of the world? Or, the guy who taught big bad U.S.A a lesson and nuked one of their cities? I'm hoping for the former but the latter wouldn't suprise me much either.

many men dont care about their legacies because they'll be dead...you're an atheist right? please correct me if im wrong, but would you give a shit about pre-marital sex knowing that fundamentalist christians in the future might look down on you for sinning?


same ideal works with quests for power and money. many people only care about living for today and say "fuck the future".

[Fengzi]

Interesting point Nich. You're right that I don't care how a fundamentalist Christian would view me in the future, but I don't care how they view me now. Then again folks with giant egos, like I am assuming Kim has, most likely do care. Egos can be powerful things an my personal feeling is that ego has been a major contributing factor in our current debacle in Iraq. GW is not qualified to be President and he knew it. So, rather than go down as one of the worst Presidents in history (which I still think he will) he figures it would be better to go down as the President who took down Saddam Hussien. Just my theory.

[pisshead]

meanwhile, we're salting afghanistan and iraq with DU...and forcing our troops to breathe it...

oops, i'm not supporting the troops by being against them being denied medical treatment for gulf war illness and DU related illnesses...


[align=left]Depleted Uranium, Anthrax Vaccine & The Gulf War Syndrome, Part 1[/align]
[align=left]Dr. James Howenstine, MD. | August 8 2005[/align]

[align=left]Former Head Of Pentagon's Depleted Uranium Project Says Thousands Of Troops Are Sick And Dying From Illegal DU Use And Military's Failure To Admit Responsibility[/align]



[align=left]Former Air Force Capt.Turned Activist Says Pentagon's Actions Towards Depleted Uranium Use 'Beyond Treason'


[align=left]Greg Szymanski | August 24 2005[/align]

[align=left]http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/du_death_toll.html[/align]
http://infowars.com/articles/iraq/du_death_toll_tops_11k.htm

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[nicholasstanko]

Interesting point Nich. You're right that I don't care how a fundamentalist Christian would view me in the future, but I don't care how they view me now. Then again folks with giant egos, like I am assuming Kim has, most likely do care. Egos can be powerful things an my personal feeling is that ego has been a major contributing factor in our current debacle in Iraq. GW is not qualified to be President and he knew it. So, rather than go down as one of the worst Presidents in history (which I still think he will) he figures it would be better to go down as the President who took down Saddam Hussien. Just my theory.

you may be right on that one.


of course, it doesnt hurt to rake in a few billion dollars in oil profits along the way...

[Psycho4Bud]

meanwhile, we're salting afghanistan and iraq with DU...and forcing our troops to breathe it...

oops, i'm not supporting the troops by being against them being denied medical treatment for gulf war illness and DU related illnesses...


[align=left]Depleted Uranium, Anthrax Vaccine & The Gulf War Syndrome, Part 1[/align]
[align=left]Dr. James Howenstine, MD. | August 8 2005[/align]

[align=left]Former Head Of Pentagon's Depleted Uranium Project Says Thousands Of Troops Are Sick And Dying From Illegal DU Use And Military's Failure To Admit Responsibility[/align]



[align=left]Former Air Force Capt.Turned Activist Says Pentagon's Actions Towards Depleted Uranium Use 'Beyond Treason'


[align=left]Greg Szymanski | August 24 2005[/align]

[align=left]http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/du_death_toll.html[/align]
http://infowars.com/articles/iraq/du_death_toll_tops_11k.htm

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PROPAGANDA!

[nicholasstanko]

PROPAGANDA!

my god...what have i created...

[Psycho4Bud]

my god...what have i created...

O.K., O.K., I got this one covered! Like Carnac right? O.K.......What did Nicks momma say when he was born? j/k

[andruejaysin]

The major problem is this; Pyongyang never keeps his word! I find it amazing that he puts his nuclear ambitions ahead of the people of his country that are starving. What a wonderfull world we live in!!!

Find myself in the odd position of agreeing comepletely!

[Psycho4Bud]

Find myself in the odd position of agreeing comepletely!

Damn, I knew you had potential! Welcome to the dark side.

[andruejaysin]

Hey, I call them like I see them on the issues, and my apologies for the personal attacks, those obviously have no place in politics (yea, right!)