Judge: School Pledge Is Unconstitutional

[GHoSToKeR]

lol... how many times did I just say the word religion?

GHoSToKeR Reviewed by GHoSToKeR on 09-17-2005. Judge: School Pledge Is Unconstitutional Judge: School Pledge Is Unconstitutional September 15, 2005 4:08 AM EDT SAN FRANCISCO - An atheist seeking to strike the words "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools has won a major battle in his quest to force the U.S. Supreme Court to take up the issue again. U.S. District Judge Lawrence Karlton sided with atheist Michael Newdow in ruling Wednesday that the pledge's reference to God violates the rights of children in three school districts to be "free from a Rating: 5

[Torog]

lol... how many times did I just say the word religion?

Howdy GhostToker,

7 times,actually...lol I git what yer trying to say..but I know that I'm right !

Lol..just kiddin...

Have a good one !

[GHoSToKeR]

You sound like my mum, Torog! She's a Jehovahs Witness and they refer to their religion as The Truth. That's probably the best way to offend pretty much everybody, but they do it nonetheless! lol

[andruejaysin]

Howdy GhostToker and bhallg2k,

I think that both of your replies were good,I'm trying to be more open-minded,but it ain't easy..because I believe that Christianity is the only true religion and the rest are just wasting their time..for instance,I believe that the final revelation of an enlightened bhuudhist,is to realize-that one can only enter Heaven..through Jesus Christ. I was born and raised,in the Bible Belt,to us folks,people who don't believe in God and Jesus Christ,are strange and not to be trusted much..but I'm trying to come around and be more open-minded..lol.

Have a good one !

I'm not gonna fuck with you, there are others here with more potential, but "bhuudist"? I think Wal-mart sells dictionaries.

[nicholasstanko]

Howdsy Torog!

Nice reply.. here's what I think, though I understand if you ignore me in regards to this subject because, well, i'm not American, but hey, I can try!

First of all i'm going to agree with you. Your country is more than the sum of just your founding fathers and presidents. You country is one of the most diverse countries in the world. You have people of every ethnicity living inside your borders, helping to make your country what it is today. To invite such diversity in culture is to invite diversity of religion. I don't think i'm wrong in saying that almost every religion and belief system has an ambassador in America. In a country that teaches patriotism, and tries to instill a belief that every citizen is united under the flag, why then would youwant to alienate a large number of your citizens by claiming it is one nation under God with a capital G?

Not so. In fact it is quite the opposite. When every person is given the freedom of speech and expression, than it should be an equal field. One religion should not be given voice over others. If every religion has the right to expression in a country, then one signle religion should not be given precident over others. If you are going to say One Nation Under God, then you should say One Nation Under All Gods.

It is also wrong that the minority be made to bow and scrape and be silence before the majority. Isn't this one of the shining examples of why Democracy is so great? That everybody has an equal voice.

Again i'll have to disagree. You say that atheists deny God, well this may be so but not in the way you imply it. If somebody was to abstain from eating beef because they didn't like it you could say that this person is denying beef, but in actual fact this person would just be choosing against it. Religion and the idea of God does not suit everybody, no matter how much you want it to be so.

Many atheists are extremely spiritual. (Spirituality and religion are not one and the same. In fact, I would say that modern religion has lost most of it's spirituality and has become bogged down in beaurocracy). Take Buddhists for example; they are extremely spiritual people, but do not believe in any God, as such.

The existence of God does not define our morals, neither does religion. To be atheist is not to be led astray. It is simply a lifestyle choice, an assessment of the situation and a drawn conclusion. You'll find that most people these days have some sense of right and wrong, although the finer points are sometimes harder to agree on. You must admit that everybody has a different set or morals, even within one religious organisation. You yourself are a Christian who happens to smoke Cannabis and believes that morally you are doing nothing wrong. One of your Christian counterparts, however, may look down upon the act of smoking and consider it a sin. Your individual morals would be clashing, but both believe that you are right. This shows that everybody can make their own morals, and no matter what religion you belong to (or even if you don't), most of the time everybody drawns the same conclusions in respect to what is morally right or wrong, though of course not everybody agrees on everything. To say that one person's set of morals is wrong and yours is right isd extremely ignorant and narrow-minded. I disagree with certain things but can understand and accept when other people do ot share my belief.

Man, i've typed too much already today! Sorry for the rambling. lol

Peace.

That was an excellent post! It's true, the american society has become to comfortable with shouting "im offended" instead of truly appreciating the freedom that theyve been given.

I'm still waiting for the day when i can see a jew a buddhist a christian and a muslim be able to sit down and enjoy each others country instead of spitting on each other and shouting the others are going to hell (buddhist excepted of course)


People need to realise that religion is a tool used by the higher ups to pit one against the other....by demonising another's religion it lessens the chance of a potential follower converting to another one...the more followers you have the more powerful your religion is.

Why do you think that instead of using the millions upon millions at its disposal to eradicate famine and disease and pverty, the vatican instead builds grandiose churches and memorials with nice fancy stained glass windows?

[nicholasstanko]

Howdy GhostToker and bhallg2k,

I think that both of your replies were good,I'm trying to be more open-minded,but it ain't easy..because I believe that Christianity is the only true religion and the rest are just wasting their time..for instance,I believe that the final revelation of an enlightened bhuudhist,is to realize-that one can only enter Heaven..through Jesus Christ. I was born and raised,in the Bible Belt,to us folks,people who don't believe in God and Jesus Christ,are strange and not to be trusted much..but I'm trying to come around and be more open-minded..lol.

Have a good one !

kudos torog...im glad to see you're reconsidering your stance. Noone here desires to see you change your morals or how you live...i among others just would like to see more tolerance for different lifestyles and cultures of living.

bluecat would be proud....

[nicholasstanko]

You sound like my mum, Torog! She's a Jehovahs Witness and they refer to their religion as The Truth. That's probably the best way to offend pretty much everybody, but they do it nonetheless! lol

was your mum the lday who came to my door and i threw a water balloon at her?

tell her i said hi!



lol, j/k on that one. enjoyed your previous rebuttal post!

[andruejaysin]

You sound like my mum, Torog! She's a Jehovahs Witness and they refer to their religion as The Truth. That's probably the best way to offend pretty much everybody, but they do it nonetheless! lol

I used to date this girl that was a Jehovah's Witness, and a meth addict. No real point, but it was a crazy combo.

[GHoSToKeR]

Hahaha.. I've got no reply to that, andruejaysin, I just thought it was funny!