Judge: School Pledge Is Unconstitutional

[eg420ne]

Oh well, just another sample of the new America...enjoy

[bhallg2k]

It's called the Establishment Clause, folks. Gotta love the Constitution.

If you're gonna talk about how great democracy is and even try to spread the shit around the world, don't be upset when that very principle brings some things to the front you may not agree with.

This is the kind of thing that restores some of my faith in America.

It's not about whether or not God should be mentioned in the pledge or even if there should be a pledge at all, it's about the fact that we live in a country where logically thought out objections to even long held traditions are officially heard and given merit.

It's beautiful, I tell you.

[amsterdam]

it is cool,but they will be saying the pledge in no time.

[Tholiak]

Its California..and liberals...This isnt a surprise at all. Its gona get sent to 9th circuit again...the most liberal Court in america...then gona get sent back to Supreme Court where the new Supreme Court Justice John Roberts will say it ISNT Unconstitutional..and the lil kids can get back to saying the 15 second song at beginning of class.

[F L E S H]

Personally, I would do away with the pledge altogether, but that's just me.

[Mojavpa]

Personally, I would do away with the pledge altogether, but that's just me.

I agree. In many schools, they basically force you to recite the pledge every morning. Of course, you can refuse, but then it makes you look unpatriotic and the other kids look down upon you. Why put a kid through that? And What does the pledge have to do with education anyway? Teachers can use that time, I dont know, to teach their subject for another minute or so, which adds up to like another 200 minutes during a school year, or almost three classfuls of lessons .

[Breukelen advocaat]

It's called the Establishment Clause, folks. Gotta love the Constitution.
If you're gonna talk about how great democracy is and even try to spread the shit around the world, don't be upset when that very principle brings some things to the front you may not agree with.
This is the kind of thing that restores some of my faith in America.
It's not about whether or not God should be mentioned in the pledge or even if there should be a pledge at all, it's about the fact that we live in a country where logically thought out objections to even long held traditions are officially heard and given merit.
It's beautiful, I tell you.

Bhallg2K got it right!

To respond to some of the things mentioned in the other posts above:

Children that have to "leave the classroom" during a religious pledge could be singled out and harassed, or ostracized, by other students.

Those Buddhist monks from Thailand are NOT qualified to speak for Americans. Their calling people that are in favor of separation of church and state â??evilâ?� is ridiculous.

â??In God We Trustâ?� does not belong on the currency, because a growing minority of people do NOT even believe in, much less â??Trustâ?�, a god (or gods). I would think that the religious would also object to this commercialization of their beliefs.

[Breukelen advocaat]

I wrote, "Those Buddhist monks from Thailand are NOT qualified to speak for Americans. Their calling people that are in favor of separation of church and state 'evil' is ridiculous."

Just to clarify a little better:
The fundamentalist Christians that were opposed to the park's Hispanic religous statue would probably be in favor of mixing religion and government as long as the religion was their's. Possibly, the Buddhists were trying to say this, and it was misunderstood. In any case, religous statues, of any kind, do not belong in public parks.

[F L E S H]

What I find funniest, though, is that nowhere else in North America or Europe or any of the "developped nations" do we hear any debate about religion in government. I never heard about evolution vs creationism in Sweden, or taking God out of a pledge (since no other country has a pledge that school kids have to recite every morning, something like brainwashing to me), or taking God off the currency in Germany.

Hurray for the US! Leading the way in debates that were over in other nations about 100 years ago!

[amsterdam]

id be careful to label countries like germany and france as developed,,,they are in shambles.....thats why their leaders only discuss our issues.if they keep bringing up their own countries serious economic problems the people might get angry.oh well.