Just a little journal............

[Marc Benson]

Interesting Mand. Not being an expert, but one to think too much on stuff, I think (see...I told ya!), I would put it back into veg, go till 10 weeks if that's what you normally do, then throw the hps in there and flower. It's not like you have to have any additional...stuff...and this would answer whether or not what you suggest is indeed the case. That being that they're too young to handle flowering. We'd all learn something!!

But, all that said, I've always heard/read, that you can take one of these plants and flower way before they become what is considered to me 'mature' i.e. with alternating nodes. If that is true, which it seems it is as many people have grown successful healthy flowers by inducing flowering well before alternating nodes, their age wouldn't be what's causing the droop.

Just a thought Mand. Of course not telling you what to do. Just suggesting a test to see if you can figure out what the drooping is once and for all.

But one more question. In the past, you no doubt had grown during these same times of the season. Did you have droop then? Or did you always go 10 weeks before flowering? I know you said "I have always induced flowering after about ten weeks of vegitive growth" but just asking. Just thinkin'.

[mand]

Hello Marc I'll answer the question first love ........ Apart from the last grow I have never ever had droopy leaves on any grow before.
I have checked the writting on these two HPS bulbs with the orginal one (still on a shelf in the shed) and they are identical.

As for them being too young for flowering, I have never heard of it before and I do doubt it but it's the only thing I can think off to make them react badly to the HPS.
When comparing this and the last grow to previous ones I have ruled out over and under watering, the cold (that is effecting the rate of growth), there not root bound, the compost is fine, nutrients are ok. I cannot see any reason for the droopiness other than the timing of the flowering.
Plus as soon has the MH is put back in there, they seem as happy as anything.
I say I usually flower at about 10 weeks, however that is more a rough estimate rather than a precise figure

As for putting them back into vegitive growing, I won't do that Marc. I want this lot "done and dusted" by April, so what I'm going to do is keep them under the MH for the next 2-3 weeks and then I will try them again on the HPS and see what happens


As for the stock I have finished all the buds from the grow I did when these bulbs were new, although I still have half a shoe box of resinous leaves and small buds from that grow, plus all the buds from the last grow and a shoe box full of resinous leaves and small buds as well


At the moment they have picked up again under the MH, I would add a pic but I have still not got my camera back yet


Anyway Marc I'm having a little rest from the plants this weekend, after work on Saturday I'm off to spend what's left of the weekend at my brothers. He lives in a lovely little village (I won't say which one ) in Linconshire. lots of lovely countryside albeit very flat there.
Oh and there will be no smoking of the herb, he doesn't approve



Bye for now Marc ...................... love mand xxx

[scobbie]

mand i do scrog and i put my plants into flowering after 3 weeks and never had droopy leaves is it not the temp mate , hope this helps

[BukDatAss]

Mand
Yes Buk I know you're near ready for harvest and you have done a super nice job of it as well . As for help of anyone, I feel certain that you would have grown just as well without anyones help at all, you have the entuhsiaism for it, and that's what counts .................... by the way love are you ready for the next grow

Mand no way you already know I was willing to give up the 2nd day and you told me to keep growing that everything will be fine and you were right
If it wasnt for you I probably wouldnt have my lovely buds:thumbsup: :clap:

By the way I dont think you ever answered me on the whole drying and curing process. I wanted to know your methods:thumbsup:

[mand]

Hello Buk The drying, I answered ..................... honest love , post 373, page 15

Oh I feel sure you would have managed a grow on you're own However it really is very handy being able to come on here and see all the different grows and get a few hints and tips of all the different people


Hello Scobbie I have my camera back love so I'll just add a couple of pics.

They'll be ok love even if I have to keep the MH on them throughout the whole flowering period .................. hope I don't have to though


Well 8 plants left now, just got rid of two boys. Oh by the way this is also turning into the longest time I have known for them to show their gender, only two males so far and no females have shown themselves at all yet.

Prehaps I should say 7 plants and one "little runty"


love mand xxx

[scobbie]

mand what is the temp of your room , its doesnt fluxuate does it as you know our climate is a head ache and the only time i have had droping at the tips is when its been cold outside i will post your pics to a freind who is a botanist to see if we can decidie what it is try take a pic of the wirst affected plant you have or the worst affected leave and we will get to the bottom of it just for you mate
love you best weee old mate
scobbie

[Chris Chronic]

blankets are the shit for that and ET's awsome

nice job by the way -=]

[HappySmoke]

Hey Mand,

I was just wondering if the 'Droop' was interferring with the production of flowers? I was thinking if it doesn't interfere and the fan leaves want to droop let them.

I know you will get better 'Cola' prodution (tighter buds) with the HPS than the MH.

Ah yes, so many opinions, only so many days of flowering.

Have a good day Mand

[Marc Benson]

I guess that's why I'd put the hps on 'em and let it run it's course. Flowers do best with that spectrum of light...or so I read. If they did ok with just mh then no one would buy an hps. And ultimately, who cares if the leaves droop a little. If they aren't dying then they're just...droopy leaves. No biggie. And they might possibly come out of it if you just left the hps in there. I don't think you've ever given them a chance to 'adapt'. Just take it out as soon as they droop...put the mh back in and they aren't...put the hps back in and they droop. Proves that when the light is changed to hps from mh that for some reason they're reacting.

What about heat? If it's so cold in your room does the mh put out more heat than the hps? If so maybe they're reacting to a colder environment. MH puts the temp at a point where the plants thrive but the hps puts them below that level? Just a thought.

All that said I'd rather have them go through flowering with the proper light spectrum with droopy leaves (that I must say look way better than a lot of grows I've seen and they produced good flowers) than the wrong spectrum with perky leaves.

[mand]

Hello I hope it's ok if I just do this post as a whole rather than individually, otherwise I could end up just writting the same thing in different ways


Yes the temp does vary Scobbie, in the day when the light is on it gets quite pleasant (well pleasant-ish) but when the light is off at night it does get rather chilly in there.
The cold is causing the longest period I have ever known for the plants to show their gender, it's been two weeks today and the only ones I am sure about are the two males I threw out yesterday.
Is the cold causing the droop ? ..................... Well it's not helping but the same thing happened on the last grow and the temps were much higher then.
Also the strains that are growing are my winter growing strains because I have grown them a few times before at this time of year without any problems

As for the MH, oh yes HappySmoke to flower with the MH does mean a reduction in the compactness of the buds. I am thinking along the lines that you and Marc have said "put the HPS in there and let them droop".
The only problem is that when I go in there and see them looking all sad and droopy, I really dislike to see them that way, it really does upset me


Anyway guys I have taken a few pics and I'm having a break from the plants this weekend so I am considering just putting the HPS back in there and leaving it there no matter what happens, if they droop badly I'm just going to have to learn to ignore it



Thankyou ever so much guys for you're concern, I'll just post some pics so that you can see them yourself and see what you think



Thankyou ............................. love mand xxx