Giving the president authority for a preemptive nuclear strike!

[Omun]

You have to understand that there are people in this world that would laugh and smile, jump up and down and celebrate with their friends and family to see you, an innocent civilian, shot up with sixteen rounds from an AK-47 just because you walk on American soil. Or just because you're country isn't an Arab country. They want you dead because you're not willing to die for Allah, and destroy the infidel. They are sick, brainwashed, and pathetic.

My understanding is they want the US and its allies out of the middle east. They wanted us out of Saudi Arabia and that's what 9/11 was over. We should have immediately pulled out of Saudi Arabia after 9/11 that's my opinion. Now some of you would say that's answering to the terrorist but hell I think it wasn't just the terrorist that wanted us out of there.

Now If we were to nuke somebody it will for sure come back and bite us in the ass. So we nuke the country and they can't nuke use back so we would be safe right, wrong. People living in other parts of the world would retaliate maybe not with nukes but definitely other forms of violence. They are not just going to sit back and watch us nuke there homeland. A guy from slashdot.org said it the best.. Nukes are 1940s technology it's time we learned how to get along.

Omun Reviewed by Omun on 09-14-2005. Giving the president authority for a preemptive nuclear strike! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/10/AR2005091001053.html :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: This is really scary giving the president authority for a preemptive authority for a Nuclear strike against weapons of mass destruction? Umm, if I remember correctly we (the United States government) are not very good at finding which countries have banned weapons in the first place. This really scares me. If we were to nuke somebody in this day Rating: 5

[mf greg]

im sorry torog but there is a major difference between a musilim and a terrorist, contrary(sp) to stereotypical views, they are not all terrorists, in fact the ones that ARE terrorists arent really muslim. They are ISLAMIST EXTREMES, people who believe they are gods chosen people and must fight a jihad, but the real definition for jihad is the fight within ones self meaning that they are at war with the demons that one faces in everyday life. an example of a jihad would be FIGHTING the URGE to go home with that other woman when you are already married its a huge misunderstanding that not only islamist extremes and most of the "Free World" have that a jihad is a holy war waged against all who do not believe Islam is the true religion, and fyi in the aribac world the form of poligamy is only used when there is a widow or widower if you are a true muslim.

also Jews were the first group of people to use aribac writings and extremly faithful still do today, judaism was around earlier than christianity or any other extremly popular religion today.

it would be much appreciated if instead of using the much common stereotypes of terrorists that you would use a educated term instead of refering to an entire religion.

oh ya torog? you say in the new dark ages under islam or communism, try living like a true muslim for one week and maybe you will see that its not as bad as everyone assumes, and yes i am going personal with this last comment, so why dont you take your old uneducated ass to a grade 11 world religions course, and maybe try to clean up a little your starting to fall into the stereotype of a inbred redneck you joke.

[FunkyMonkey]

The USA sounds good on paper...
Canada may be officially England's bitch, but practically speaking is really looking like it would be a much more favorable place to live.

Sure , just dont forget to leave your guns at the border.We dont want you crazy americans drinkin some of our beer ( it has alcohol in it) and shootin up the place lol.


btw:nobody in this country under 75 years old gives a flying fuck about that ol douche queen of england.We are many generations past being her 'bitch' ..
Were a country founded on saying 'fuck you' to england so I dont know what youre on about.

[mrdevious]

All I can say is if we really wanted to take out terrorists, the american army would be occupying Saudi Arabia, not Iraq. I wonder why we didn't go for the saudi's instead? hmmmmmmm.......

[Torog]

im sorry torog but there is a major difference between a musilim and a terrorist, contrary(sp) to stereotypical views, they are not all terrorists, in fact the ones that ARE terrorists arent really muslim. They are ISLAMIST EXTREMES, people who believe they are gods chosen people and must fight a jihad, but the real definition for jihad is the fight within ones self meaning that they are at war with the demons that one faces in everyday life. an example of a jihad would be FIGHTING the URGE to go home with that other woman when you are already married its a huge misunderstanding that not only islamist extremes and most of the "Free World" have that a jihad is a holy war waged against all who do not believe Islam is the true religion, and fyi in the aribac world the form of poligamy is only used when there is a widow or widower if you are a true muslim.

also Jews were the first group of people to use aribac writings and extremly faithful still do today, judaism was around earlier than christianity or any other extremly popular religion today.

it would be much appreciated if instead of using the much common stereotypes of terrorists that you would use a educated term instead of refering to an entire religion.

oh ya torog? you say in the new dark ages under islam or communism, try living like a true muslim for one week and maybe you will see that its not as bad as everyone assumes, and yes i am going personal with this last comment, so why dont you take your old uneducated ass to a grade 11 world religions course, and maybe try to clean up a little your starting to fall into the stereotype of a inbred redneck you joke.

Howdy mf greg,

I realize that the violent,extremeist muslim jihadist,is a minority among muslims at this time,but that is changing,because the so-called 'good,true muslims',ain't condemning the violent muslims enough or often,as they should be. Why do you reckon that is the case ? Maybe it's because the koran says that all muslims shall lie and decieve infidels,till the moment to slash their throats-arises.

You say that I should try living a week as a true muslim,that it ain't so bad..well in a way..yer right-if one is a male muslim,you can be your own little dictator,it's great for the men..the women and children,barely have more rights than the family goat,and the muslim husband,can beat them or kill them,for almost any reason. Yup..it's great to be a male muslim..and Hell on earth,for the women and children..if that's the way ya like things..then Islam is the religion for you.

There ain't no way in heck,that I'd want to read a book about religion,that was written by liberals..lol. Yup..I'll admit that I dropped out of school,in the 11th grade,but then I went on to git my GED,then onto the Navy,where I had 2 years of college-level electronics,and after the Navy,2 more years of electronics at a civilian college,I passed the AC/DC circuits analysis class,which was nothing but a whole bunch of complex math...how is it-that an 'uneducated,inbred redneck ',can do such a thing ? I love it-when y'all snobby,elitist liberal types,continue to misunderestimate us Southerners..lol.

Why should I 'clean up' ? So that I can conform to your idea of what folks should look like ? I've been non-conforming since '72, I rejected the redneck image back then and I'm still doing it today..and I'll keep on till the day that God calls me back Home.

Have a good one ...

[mf greg]

just so you know, the whole concept that muslim "women and children,barely have more rights than the family goat,and the muslim husband,can beat them or kill them,for almost any reason" was actually the way life was for the afghanis when the taliban govnerned that region, not by all muslims. yes i agree the religion is a strict one if you follow it truely, but they only do that to protect women from the views that they see immoral.

[GHoSToKeR]

"the muslim husband,can beat them or kill them,for almost any reason. Yup..it's great to be a male muslim"

That's bullshit. I'm sorry but it is. Whether the Koran says this or not doesn't actually matter, because there are only a small, miniscule number of Muslims who actually do this. What you never seem to understand is that the majority of Muslims are normal, decent, every day people who would never want to harm a fly. Hell, even Lily420 is a Muslim and you don't see her trying to kill anybody, do you? And do you really think she'd stay a Muslim if she was getting beaten up by her Muslim counterparts?

Did you know that up until recently in the United Kingdom it was legal to rape your wife? Because the Christian marriage vows you make state that your wife must obey you, etc, so idf you raped her then legally there was nothing nobody could do about it.

So judging by your logic I state that, before this law changed, EVERY Christian married man was raping his wife.

If you disagree then you should also be able to see why your statements about Muslims are a load of bollocks.

[NowhereMan]

But don't you have enough conviction in the West to believe that it would survive without blowing the crap out of everybody else?

I mean, when somebody questions your religion you don't shoot them do you? No, because you have conviction in your religion, you believe that it is right and that it will prevail in the end. So why do you beleive that if we don't blow the crap out of all the Muslims and Communits then we'll become Muslims or Communists? Can't we just defend ourselves when necessary instead of having to throw the first stone? Can't we all just coexist until somebody tries to threaten psychically threaten us? Ever heard of Peace through Strength?

one word

jihad

(we have been hit with first stone)

[Torog]

"the muslim husband,can beat them or kill them,for almost any reason. Yup..it's great to be a male muslim"

That's bullshit. I'm sorry but it is. Whether the Koran says this or not doesn't actually matter, because there are only a small, miniscule number of Muslims who actually do this. What you never seem to understand is that the majority of Muslims are normal, decent, every day people who would never want to harm a fly. Hell, even Lily420 is a Muslim and you don't see her trying to kill anybody, do you? And do you really think she'd stay a Muslim if she was getting beaten up by her Muslim counterparts?

Did you know that up until recently in the United Kingdom it was legal to rape your wife? Because the Christian marriage vows you make state that your wife must obey you, etc, so idf you raped her then legally there was nothing nobody could do about it.

So judging by your logic I state that, before this law changed, EVERY Christian married man was raping his wife.

If you disagree then you should also be able to see why your statements about Muslims are a load of bollocks.

Howdy GhostToker,

What I said about muslims is true,in muslim countries with Sharia law and wahhabism..when I I lived in Saudi,under sharia law and wahhabism,it was certainly the case. Where are all these 'peaceful' muslims that you speak of ? I think that I can count on one hand,the number of peaceful muslims that condemn their violent counter-parts. I would feel better,if Lily were to weigh in on this thread and condemn the violent jihadists..has she yet,in any other threads ? As for gittin a beating from her future or soon-to-be ,muslim husband,she'd probably feel that she deserves it,and would mostly likely stay.

Like many non-Christian folks,you presume that Christian men treat their wives like muslim males do,when in fact,they serve each other and cherish each other,out of love and respect. Just because men should be the head of the household,doesn't mean that they are gonna rape their wives every night,that's more akin to a feminazi statement.

Islam despises and loathes,individual rights and liberty,which is why so many leave islamofascist regimes,opps..almost forgot another reason why they leave,the koran says their duty is to fool infidels into believeing that they are a non-threat-while at the same time-infiltrate their host countries political systems,till they gain control. The muslims in Canada,for instance,are pushing for Sharia law courts.

Have a good one ...

[GHoSToKeR]

Hey Torog,

No, I don't believe all Christan men are violent and that isn't what I was saying. In fact quite the opposite. Most people aren't violent at all, no matter what religion you are. I was just trying to point out that to say ALL Christian men are violent, just because a small number are, is as stupid as saying that ALL Muslims are violent or are terrorists or are extremists, just because some are.

I can't say I know enough about Islam to argue what the Koran says or doesn't say; you seem to know more about that subject than I do. But consider this;

If Islamic countries are so brutal and horrible, like you say they are (and in most cases I agree) then surely alot of the citizens living there (who were born into Islam) would want to leave and come live somewhere safer, like the UK or US, where they have more freedoms and protections? I know for a fact that there are alot of Muslims now living in the UK. Can't it be possible that these people just want to live a peaceful, non-violent life in a place that offers them the chance to do so? Alot of people are against unecessary violence, no matter what their religion tells them. Just the same way that most Christians ignore the parts of the Bible that tell them to murder homosexuals, or to cut somebody's hands off for stealing. Sure, at the time that the Bible or the Koran were written it might have been okay to do these kinds of things, but in the society we live in it isn't okay, so people, both Christian and Muslim, ignore these parts of their respective religious texts.

Peace.