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	09-11-2005, 03:44 AM #1 OPSenior Member OPSenior Member
 Doctor G: The 10th Generation JointThe Tenth Generation Joint 
 My brother and I had been smoking together about three years when he
 asked what would happen if we saved all our roaches and smoked a roach joint.
 We saved our roaches and after a week or so we rolled up a joint of all the
 roaches. It was pretty stony as as we relaxed in the glow of a good stone he
 asked
 ??What happens next??
 So we got out a couple of 35mm film cannisters and labled them. Roaches
 were second generation, roaches of that were third generation and so on. At the
 first we just set up five generations.
 Of course that led to numberous decisions. What was an official size for a
 roach? Was it a roach if it went out on it??s own? Was a quarter of it??s length a
 roach? What did you do with the remains of the cherry and ash end? If we were
 rolling super sized joints how much was a roach ? What if we didn??t have a
 cannister, how did we save the roaches? And then the big question; how far
 could we go with this?
 Eventually we came to some guidelines. A quarter of the length or less
 was an official roach, roach generations could be mixed in storage if they could
 be identified (wrapped in a plain paper for example). All ash and carbonized
 material could be discarded, and multigenerational joints should be smoked in
 special ceromonies. And we would go for a joint of tenth generation weed.
 With the guidelines in place we went back to work generating the raw
 material we would need to complete the project. Eventually we calculated it
 required seven joints of weed to make one second generation joint. After that it
 was about 4 roaches to a joint. After four years we looked into our containers and
 found we had made it to sixth generation. Four years. Smoking like fiends, fifteen
 joints a day and all we made it to was sixth. We did the math. It was going to take
 over FOUR MILLION joints to get one joint of tenth generation weed. We were
 screwed, how the hell were we going so keep track of over four million joints?
 At that point we put out the word to our friends, Help us meet our goal,
 Please donate to the cause. And God Bless them Every One, they stepped up to
 the challange. One by one our friends donated roaches for the cause. In ones
 and twos at first and then in dozens people donated roaches for the collection.
 The second and third jars got to be quart mason jars and even the sixth and
 seventh made it to baby food sized. And the collection grew.
 I married and had children while my brother went to college in California.
 Our friends spread out across the country but they kept the faith and roaches
 kept showing up in the mail. Some times our friends donated third and fourth
 generation roaches. Usually with badly scribbled notes.
 ??Here you go, you crazy Bastards, I almost hacked up a lung on this
 sucker?
 ??Here is a Joint of fourth for the collection. I can??t do this any more.?
 ??Enclosed please find the results of three years smoking, Please let me
 know how the project turns out?
 ??No more for me man, I??ve got to drive....?
 Every donation was marked and the donor was sent a letter with details of
 the progress. As we got past sixth we found that joints simply would not smoke
 unless we dried the weed for at least twenty four hours before we tried to roll it.
 And rolling was a real challange. You had to roll looser and looser or the joint
 would not draw. And the tar was terrible. After sixth generation the joints would
 spit the most bitter and nasty tar after the first third. Before you could toke you
 would squeeze the end and get as much tar as you could off the end. Eighth and
 ninth joints had to be dried out for days before any attempt to roll them.
 It took most of ten years but eventually we met in Canyonlands National
 Park in Utah in a place called Dead Horse Canyon. The original three
 participants, and assorted children and friends. We gathered for a Thanksgiving
 celebration in one of the most amazing places I have have ever experienced.
 After a huge Thanksgiving dinner we sent the children off to climb the
 rocks or bicycle through the landscape. Then we sat down around the campfire
 and prepared to smoke the ??Holy Grail?. I had dried the ninth generation roaches
 most throughly before I left Colorado. Even with the drying the material was very
 gummy and hard to roll. Eventually I produced a joint and we tried with all our
 lungs to get it lit. No chance. My brother broke it down and tried again. The Quinn
 stood by and took pictures while Jeff kept the beers comming. After three tries we
 managed to produce a cylinder of tarry gummy weed that it was possible to draw
 through.
 The first few hits were like smoking Egyptian tobacco. Harsh, black and
 thick. As we slogged on the back end of the joint looked like the exhaust of a big
 diesel truck. Black and oily, it didn??t taste like weed, it was more like smoking
 some road tar. A third of the way through the joint it went out. It was hard to hit
 and it took several minutes after each hit to get your breath back. It was relit and
 we continued to make the best effort we could to get the damn thing to burn.
 At half way through we were all tired of the effort. The joint was going out
 every time we passed it from person to person. We were relighting it for every hit
 and the flavor was foul. When it made it way to my brother he looked at the
 blackened tar dripping cylinder and shook his head. No one objected when he
 pinched off the cherry and dropped in onto the rolling tray.
 He grabbed a bag of fresh weed and put a couple of pinches on the tray.
 After breaking up the tar soaked remains and mixing it with some fresh cleaned
 weed he rolled a Lucky Strike sized joint that was maybe half tenth and half fresh
 weed. Again no one objected. With a flourish he put a flame to it and inhaled.
 After that it was passed from person to person with out going out. As the
 cylinder reached the size we had determained was an ??Official Roach? Jeff broke
 out a clip and we smoked that sucker until it disappeared. Not so much as a
 scrap of paper left over for the collection. Done, Finis, No Mas.
 The question was posed, what do we do with the rest of the collection? In
 answer my brother emptied the containers on to the rolling tray and stirred them
 all together. He tossed in a couple of big pinches of fresh weed and stirred the
 whole mess together. The he got out the extra large rolling papers and rolled a
 cigar sized joint . One match to fire it up and he passed it around. It seemed like a
 fitting end.doctor G Reviewed by doctor G on . Doctor G: The 10th Generation Joint The Tenth Generation Joint My brother and I had been smoking together about three years when he asked what would happen if we saved all our roaches and smoked a roach joint. We saved our roaches and after a week or so we rolled up a joint of all the roaches. It was pretty stony as as we relaxed in the glow of a good stone he asked ??What happens next?? So we got out a couple of 35mm film cannisters and labled them. Roaches were second generation, roaches of that were third Rating: 5
 
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	09-11-2005, 03:48 AM #2 Senior Member Senior Member
 Doctor G: The 10th Generation JointWow, man, it never occured to me to smoke roaches, what a great idea! \"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will, within limits drawn by the equal rights of others. I do not add \"within the limits of the law\', because law if often but the tyrant\'s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.\"-Thomas Jefferson.
 
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	09-11-2005, 04:03 AM #3 Senior Member Senior Member
 Doctor G: The 10th Generation JointI can't get over the fact that everyone was sending you their roaches. 
 
 I got over it.
 
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	09-11-2005, 04:53 AM #4 Senior Member Senior Member
 Doctor G: The 10th Generation JointThat's awesome man. People around here are far too shitty to do that kind of thing with their bud. =( 
 
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	09-11-2005, 06:25 AM #5 Senior Member Senior Member
 Doctor G: The 10th Generation Jointyea around here people keep their roaches, and lose them , but yea nice fucking idea man 
 
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	09-11-2005, 06:42 AM #6 Senior Member Senior Member
 Doctor G: The 10th Generation Jointhighest i ever got was 3rd or 4th generation...even then the papers become quickly soggy with resin and hard to keep it lit...much less to be able to handle the taste easily....i can't imagine a 10th generation....(btw 3rd or 4th genertation was done with cones and not regular joints...so that would probably make it equal a 5th gen. atleast.) 
 
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	09-11-2005, 08:20 AM #7 Member Member
 Doctor G: The 10th Generation Jointthat was quite the story man. and a very clever idea at that. 
 
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	09-11-2005, 08:43 AM #8 Senior Member Senior Member
 Doctor G: The 10th Generation JointYour story made me lust for life. -shrugs- No lie. It made me want to make sure I really exist hardcore stylie, doing stuff like that. 
 
 For those who call the cardboard bit in the joint a roach like I used to: Most people over here don't use cardboard, and so the roach has marijuana in it, tarry resinated marijuana. I try to use cardboard so I don't have any weed left in the joint when I toke it, because I always lose the roaches and don't smoke enough joints to make alot of generation joints.
 
 I hope your story is a true one. As much as it was just about abunch of potheads, it 'touched me' or something equally corny sounding. -shrugs- No lie.
 
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	09-11-2005, 09:24 AM #9 Senior Member Senior Member
 Doctor G: The 10th Generation JointIt's a fucking lust. -laughs- I know it's ridiculous. But, it's lasting. I've been thinking about it for a little while now and it drew me back to this thread. Anyway I just wanted to say it was a really good story. I really hope I develop a group of close friends. I want a reality like yours. Maybe this is envy? 
 
 I guess it just seems like the drug lifestyle is very negative these days. Everyone's always scared of being ripped off and making sure they aren't being used and stuff. They forget to just enjoy eachother while simotaneously enjoying the drugs! I don't know. I want to sit around in a field with some people I like, passing a joint around, talking about nothing, and staring at the sky.
 
 I'm sick of all this shady nonsense. Thanks again for your story. Your story really makes me want to meet those people.
 
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	09-11-2005, 01:07 PM #10 Senior Member Senior Member
 Doctor G: The 10th Generation Jointwell i must admit i didn't really read the whole thing through til ADaisyChain seemed stunned by this. did it really take that much weed and that much time to gain a 10th gen? it only took about a month or two and about 1 3/4 pound to gain a 4th gen (and i fucked up when i said all cones  my drunkness fucks with my thinking again, cones was recently and was only to a single 2nd gen) (btw my estimate on time is pretty accurate, but ammount could be off...i'm just doing math of: 5 roaches to make a joint, each joint about 1.25 grams) my drunkness fucks with my thinking again, cones was recently and was only to a single 2nd gen) (btw my estimate on time is pretty accurate, but ammount could be off...i'm just doing math of: 5 roaches to make a joint, each joint about 1.25 grams)
 
 
 as to adaisy we seem to have a bit in common, cuz it is my dream to someday take some loved ones/friends out to the middle of knowwhere, ya know, just beatiful scenery where we can be un-interupted by modern inconviences and smoke and talk and get to know ourselves as well as each other quite a bit better. i really doubt it'd happen (cuz shit like this never really happens for me) but i'd sure as hell like to have you there to pass the joint to.
 
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