i don't know about them but have used seeds direct many times over the past 5-6 years and have never had a prob. seedbay is operated by same people and is an auction site where excellent deals on top quality can be had a discount prices and have also had very good experience with the 2 purchases made there. hard to find and discontinued strains can also be found there. dr. greenthumb and klozit king are also very good and work out of canada (s.d. is uk)